Talk:Penalty shoot-out (association football)

Coin toss

As mentioned in "Some Notes" the rule about the second coin toss is only summarised in the article. The full text in the source cited is: "The referee tosses a coin again and the team that wins the toss decides whether to take the first or second kick"

This is significant since a recent study in Games and Economic Behaviorhas shown that winning this toss is a strong predictor as to who will win the shootout.

04:20, 25 June 2021 (UTC)42.2.205.115 (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Under Origin, Pavllo Bukoviku scored all 5 penallties in KF Tirana's (then named "17 Nëntori") win against KS Besa. BeerBaron20 (talk) 09:36, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

It is the same source that the article lists. Bukoviku was a 17 Nentori player at the time, and the cited article in Albanian says so. Also, here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavllo_Bukoviku — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeerBaron20 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Remove link to Placekicker in first paragraph

"kickers" links to Placekicker which has nothing to do with Association Football. 2A01:4C8:1481:901F:1117:A2CB:F7D1:1A65 (talk) 08:06, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

@2A01:4C8:1481:901F:1117:A2CB:F7D1:1A65 I'd change this myself if I wasn't on mobile! 2A01:4C8:1481:901F:1117:A2CB:F7D1:1A65 (talk) 08:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Best of five kicks

Are the first 5 pairs of kicks. and/or their early termination once a victor is determined, really called "best-of-five kicks"? In contrast, a "best-of-five series" of matches is one that ends when a team achieves 3 victories ... which isn't what is happening with penalty shootouts. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 16:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

"Records" section is a mess

The section of this article headed "records" is a complete mess. It jumps about between various different categories of record, but also between multiple holders of the same record.

Let me try to go through:

"The world record for the most penalties scored consecutively in a shoot out stands at 29 ..."

Good start!

"This beat the previous record of 27 ..."

Do we need to know what the previous record was? Is there anything notable about it, now that it's been broken?

"During the final of the 1992 African Cup of Nations ..."

This paragraph goes into great detail about the match, and takes a while to reveal that the record is "most penalties in the final match of a major international tournament".

Could this be combined with the following, as "records in major international tournaments"? And perhaps link to another article for more details of the match?

"Fourteen years later, the Ivory Coast and Cameroon needed 24 penalties ..."

So, was this a record of some sort? Is it still? It doesn't actually say.

"The world record for the longest penalty shoot-out in a first class match is 56 penalties ..."

This should probably be the very first thing in the section - "longest shoot-out" seems more of a primary record than "most scored consecutively".

"The longest FIFA World Cup penalty shoot-out, male or female ..."

Maybe append this to the "major international" paragraph?

"The record was then broken on 9 March 2022 ..."

Wait, what? Which record? Certainly not the record for a FIFA World Cup, which is the paragraph above it; some editing mishap, I think.

"This record was broken on 20 May 2024 in Israel when two Liga Alef teams ..."

Ah, this is the record we already had above.

"However, the record for the highest score in a penalty shoot out was set in the 1988 Argentine Championship ... 20-19"

If the Liga Alef match went to 23-22, as already mentioned (twice) this record no longer stands.

"On 3 June 2015, Sundsøre IF beat Nykøbing Mors 20–19..."

This matched that Argentine record above, and should have been in the same paragraph as it. But it's been broken now anyway.

"On 11 December 2012, Bradford City set the record for most consecutive penalty shootout wins ..."

A very different category of record, but fair enough I guess.

"The shortest possible penalty shootout consists of three kicks by each team..."

I suppose this is a record of sorts. Not clear if it's rare or just a random example, though - the provided reference doesn't remark on it at all, it just backs up the fact that this was the final score.

"The NCAA women's college record number of penalties ..."

Without wanting to be mean, is this notable? We could presumably find records for hundreds of different tournaments, but do they deserve a paragraph each?

I'm going to Be Bold and do some radical surgery. Please feel free to revert anything you disagree with, the revision before my edits is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Penalty_shoot-out_(association_football)&oldid=1235894428 - IMSoP (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)