Talk:Zuzim (biblical people)

Please give non-fictional sources to establish the historicity of this tribe.

I doubt it will please someone as obviously biased as the person complaining above, but I'll change the wording somewhat ("According to the Bible...") so the accuracy dispute can be removed. - Bryce

I think the vast majority of the world's population would regard this specific source -- Genesis -- as being fictional, or at least not based on provable historic fact. If there's another source, perhaps it could be provided. Accounting4Taste 19:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I honestly don't know if the following is folklore or history. The accounts are fairly consistent and there are enough of them to suggest a history. The Egyptians also portray the Shashu as very large, as tall as a man when on their knees. When we speak of the ancestors of the Palestinians and Jews as Phillistines and Canaanites and people who moved in to live among them, these would be the people Judges 3 5-7 tells us they lived among and intermarried with and whose gods they worshipped;

5 And the children of Israel dwelt among the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites:

6 And they took their daughters to be their wives, and gave their daughters to their sons, and served their gods.

7 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves.

These people the Sons of Israel are living among are in part unusually large, tall persons, apparently having great physical strength; especially among the tribes of Aram and the Nahrin, and among the tribes of Edom, Manassah, Zebulon, Naphtali and those living at Ashteroth, Gilead, Hebron, Debir, Anab, Kirjath-arba, Gaza, Gath, Ashdod, and Jerusalem where we have mentions of Chedorlaomer, Anak, Arba, Og, Goliath, Ishbi-benob, Saph, Sippai, Bashan, and Argob

(Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Gen. 14:5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,

Moses 8:18 And in those days there were giants on the earth, and they sought Noah to take away his life; but the Lord was with Noah, and the power of the Lord was upon him. and after

Num. 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deut. 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;

Deut. 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.

Deut. 2:20 That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

Deut. 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.

Deut. 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.

Deut. 9:2 Raphah of Gath was said to be the father of several giants of whom Goliath was one

Joshuah 11:21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.

Joshuah 11:22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

Josh. 12: 4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

Josh. 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Joshuah 14:12 Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the LORD spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and afenced: if so be the LORD will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the LORD said.

Joshuah 14:15 And the name of Hebron before was Kirjath-arba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims And the land had rest from war. (a giant among giants)

Josh. 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:

Josh. 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.

Josh. 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to En-rogel,

1 Sam. 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. (Over 9 feet tall)

2 Sam. 21:16 And Ishbi-benob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

2 Sam. 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.

2 Sam. 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

2 Sam. 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

1 Chr. 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose awar at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.

1 Chr. 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.

1 Chr. 20:6 A 12-fingered, 12-toed giant is also mentioned as one of the sons. The giants in Palestine were also known as Ankims, Emins, and Zamzummins.

1 Chr. 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.

Job 16:14 He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant.

Moses 7:15 And the giants of the land, also, stood afar off; and there went forth a curse upon all people that fought against God;

Moses 8: 18 And in those days there were giants on the earth, and they sought Noah to take away his life; but the Lord was with Noah, and the power of the Lord was upon him.

Rktect 13:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)