Talk:Bagaudae

Basque etimology

The Basque etimology (does it take into account dialects different from Unified Basque?) seems dubious since the first appearance seems to be in Northern Gaul. It should be removed or at least attributed to some researcher. --Error 02:12, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The very word Bagaudae can perfectly be translated from modern Basque as "here we are" or "we are ready" (bagaude) or even "so war" (baguda).

Removed --Error 23:09, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Does the name Amandus have any connection to the ancient Basques? One of the leaders is named Amandus, the name Amand is attached to early Medieval Gascony, and Saint Amandus was born in the region of Gascony. As far the later uprising in the 450's, is there any ancient Basque name similar to Tibatto? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.35.84.36 (talk) 19:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Amandus seems Latin. I don't think that there is something Basque to Tibetto. --Error (talk) 21:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Gascony / Aquitania were of Basque ethnicity and language before and after the Roman invasion, but with the Roman occupation and colonisation these northern Basque lands were romanized and lost a very big part of its Basque speaking territory (though until XXIth century Basque language is still spoken in some villages and quarters of Bearn, as well as in the Northern Basque Country proper), to be replaced by Gascon language, "latin spoken by Basques" as some scholar said in relation to Romanic languages of Basque substratus (Gascon, Navarrese-Aragones and Castillian/Spanish).

In relation to personal names, they were usually subjected to mode, prestige, etc. And being called Amand or Amandus does not mean he could not have been from Basque or other origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.39.218.22 (talk) 14:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The Basque hypothesis

The following section was removed without explanation by User:85.59.77.193 on 11:05, 21 May 2006. I place it here since I am not very sure about some claims. --Error 00:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

The Basque hypothesis

Many Basque historians consider them to be rebel Basque militias, hence promoting the idea of a current of Basque resistance and independence de facto through the centuries. Roman domination in the Basque Country, then larger than today, was in fact scarce through most of the history of the Empire, allowing large self-rule to the Basque tribes on both sides of the Pyrenees. With the incipient feudalism of the later Roman Empire, Basque clans and other nearby romanized peasants seem to have started an age of amorphous independence. On the other hand, the Bagaudae were active in many parts of Gaul not usually thought to have had a strong Basque connection.

Since the middle of the 4th century, the presence of many coin-prints around the historic Basque territory denotes the existence of many garrisons as, in that age, coins were used almost exclusively to pay the soldiers. This inner limes apparently shows that the Basque region was already independent when the German invaders arrived in the early 5th century.

Basques still fought under Roman command in 407 to repel a Swabian, Vandal and Alan invasion. Two years later, these tribes crossed the Basque mountain passes without problems but only to move to the richer lands of Hispania proper. The next we know is that Visigoths and, later, Franks attempt once again to subjugate those unruly lands with little or no success. In the year 711, Visigoth king Roderic was still battling against the Basques when Muslims invaded his kingdom from the south. Meanwhile, north of the Pyrenees, the Duchy of Vasconia and Aquitaine was independent at that date.

Only that the Bagaudae rebellion was fully successful in the Basque territory may explain that this people could remain independent of the German invaders and almost ignorant of the socio-economic structures of feudalism even in the late Middle Ages, despite of the overwhelming influence of its neighbours.

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This material is interesting and plausible, though the imperial hand of Rome was heaviest in urbanised areas and fell lightly on a number of others – Devon and Cornwall spring to mind as another example. But Basque history is an area much given to passionate exaggeration, and this should not appear in Wikipedia without being sourced. Deipnosophista (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Introduction?

This is an interesting, smart article with good-quality sources. It would be nice to give it a proper introduction so a casual reader isn't daunted by a sea of text. See Wikipedia:Lead section: "The lead section, lead, or introduction of a Wikipedia article is the section before the first heading. The lead serves both as an introduction to the article below and as a short, independent summary of the important aspects of the article's topic. The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. It should establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points." Cynwolfe (talk) 13:16, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Is that satisfactory now? The introductory summary was there.--Wetman (talk) 18:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Germanus

The reference to Germanus of Auxerre here needs to be made consistent with the story told in the Germanus article, which suggests a later date around the 430s. I wonder whether Germanus' interest in Britain suggests that the so-called Bagaudae in Armorica were in fact refugees from Britain – the timing would make it shortly after Aëtius told the Britons to look to their own resources, and refugees may have been fleeing either barbarian attack or political disputes between the British civitates or provinces. Deipnosophista (talk) 20:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Reputation

The last phrase of the "Reputation" section uses language that is unsuited and tendentious ("these rural malcontents," "so-called"), inconsistent with the general style of the article, and incomplete in its attribution.

The phrase in question:

"Communist E. A. Thompson's assessment in Past and Present (1952) portrayed the phenomenon of these rural malcontents as so-called Marxist class warfare." 2001:818:DE24:7500:7A31:600A:AEC6:E142 (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2023 (UTC)