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Origins

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Can someone please supply Radio Erevan jokes that clearly show the origin different from the Russian-speaking? I recalled one joke from the former GDR.Mikkalai 22:24, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I presume those jokes (at least the politican ones) were not really emitted by the Radio Yerevan?

No, of course not. However, it seems that Radio Yerevan actually had a show on which listners could ask questions. Bogdan | Talk 17:48, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The Armenian radio jokes are from the times when to have a phone at home was a rare privilege in the Soviet Union, and the questions actually came from letters (or "as if from" letters). Mikkalai 19:59, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Add also the history of the broadcasting company Radio Yerevan


"Armenian jokes" were already popular before revolution. --109.252.100.73 (talk) 09:28, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To Wikisource

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IMO, the jokes should be moved to Wikisource, with a link here, and only the explanation and a few sample jokes should stay. --AdiJapan 04:12, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of the Jokebook

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Jimbo Wales has announced that he will be deleting the Jokebook from Wikibooks within 24 hours. See Wikibooks:Staff lounge. Uncle G 16:30, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Non-specific Jokes

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In my opinion, most (if not all) of the jokes under Men, Women, and Marriage, Sex, and Mother-in-Law should be removed as they are the kind of jokes you would hear anywhere in the world, in the case of my country, Britain, in any night-club, maybe when Bernard Manning or Jim Davidson are on. This article should be restricted to jokes particular to Radio Yerevan. Camillus (talk) 15:40, 10 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of Jokes

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Why were all the jokes deleted without prior consensus on whether to do it at all and if so which to include as examples? There is further no link to wikisource or wherever it was suggested to move them. This is very counterproductive and borders on vandalism. Plumsforsale 09:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move it if you think it's useful. It's all in the history. Nothing was *deleted*. I have reverted. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I already get that you don't find them useful, although I have yet to see an explanation why. What I don't yet see is consensus that the jokes don't belong in the article in any way, shape or form. I am also waiting for an explanation as for why you think you have a mandate to delete them without picking examples or moving & linking to wikisource yourself. These jokes took an effort to assemble. Without them, the article is almost useless because one cannot demonstrate the nature of a type of humor other than by providing examples. Your stance so far of simply deleting reeks of POV. Please leave the jokes alone until you have a consensus to delete. And yes, as far as the end reader of the article is concerned, as opposed to an editor, you *deleted* the jokes. Happy Independence Day.Plumsforsale 00:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOT. Consensus not needed. - CrazyRussian talk/email 00:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to concur with Crzrussian. The lengthy list of jokes, is unencylopedic and could be simplified to two sentences or a point of nonexistance. It's not something that belongs on Wikipedia and but may be more approate for Wikiquote if you can map out specific lines. Yanksox 02:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Get rid of this nonsense. Yanksox, did you mean "unencyclopedic?".Blnguyen | rant-line 00:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beg to differ with Plumsforsale. Consensus is forming. The jokes are not appropriate for the article -- Samir धर्म 01:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A pity that you snooty Encyclopedia Nazis have to ruin a perfectly good page that many people found useful. You should at least provide a link to a page which has all of this page's original content. Anything less is disrespectful and uncourteous. -Anonymous

Not usually one to take a position with this kind of thing, but I'm going to have to agree. I hate to see the page butchered like this; it had gotten me out of some sad moods before, too. -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 07:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. NONE of the jokes can be found anywhere on the net (unless they appear on the first page of a google search, it fits the definition of "cannot be found"), so unless the VANDALS can provide proper links to the jokes IN ENGLISH, please revert it back to the original state. thanks.. the jokes are entirely appropriate to the article... there is NO USE in providing a link to the jokes in russian in the arabic wikipedia for example. QED REVERT REVERT REVERT -hellznrg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.42.2.24 (talk) 09:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

self-reference to article authors

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I removed the sentence that began "We have therefore tried our best..." because, in addition to referring to material no longer in the article, it was self-referential to Wikipeda authors (a violation of Wikipedia policy). --Cab88 22:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

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Having actually found, whilst expanding joke, sources that discuss the Radio Yerevan Joke Cycle, I am amazed and appalled to discover how bad this article, which cites no sources, in fact is compared to some actual sources. It's most immediately glaring flaw in light of the sources is that nowhere does it mention that Radio Yerevan is a real radio station. This article is in need of serious attention, using sources. Uncle G 02:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Radio Yerevan is not a real radio station, the broadcaster is "Public Radio of Amrmenia, Yerevan". If a Radio Yerevan now exists and uses the name it must have sprung up thanks to the jokes, as the name "Radio Yerevan" was never official. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.205.83.208 (talk) 22:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Structures

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This splitting into different "structures" is ridiculous, imo. You could add the "In principle" thing to half of the other examples, and the example with Moscows risk of getting nuked is a "but" joke, too.

It'd be much more sensible and interesting to give examples of jokes with different content instead of nitpickingly comparing the exact wording.

Im not commenting on writing ten times "The Armenian Radio answered" just to (not even rightly) follow the (made-up) rule set up a few lines up.

ymmv. --Maxus96 (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, any of these jokes may be retold in any of the structures, but this does not change the fact that these are typical structures. Quite often the structure is a distinctive element of the joke. On the other hand, it is pointless to classify by content, because a joke may be on any topic, from unsafe sex to politics. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Unexplained jokes

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I realize that sometimes there's nothing more tedious than trying to explain a joke, but some of the jokes on the article page will be almost incomprehensible without understanding traditional Armenian-Azerbaijani antagonisms, that Baku is the capital of Azerbaijan, etc. AnonMoos (talk) 21:33, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian? Source: Draitser, Emil (1998). Taking penguins to the movies: ethnic humor in Russia. Humor in life and letters series. Detroit: Wayne State University Press. p. 21. ISBN 978-0-8143-2327-4.
5x expanded by Szmenderowiecki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

Szmenderowiecki (talk) 00:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

OR in lead

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@Szmenderowiecki I don't want to torpedo the DYK nom, but I do worry that the lead has a bunch of OR claims - that are unreferenced and not repeated in lead. They are AFAIK correct but lead should be a summary of referenced claims in the body. I refer to claims such as that Yerevan was a name used outside USSR or that after the fall of communism the popularity of those jokes waned. I recommend checking each claim in lead versus the body, moving or copying what is not in the body from lead to the body, and referencing it as necessary (or removing if a ref cannot be found). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:48, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus Well, all I can say is that according to the 2002 source in Russian (ref 1), they are no longer being created. It is also true that they were immensely popular in the 1960s and 1970s, but that's all that my sources say.
As for Radio Yerevan/Armenian Radio, my query says that in German, Polish, Czech, Slovak and basically any other relevant language, it's called Radio Yerevan.
Also, speaking of the image, I prefer no image than a weird image like that one. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 21:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Szmenderowiecki I am not opposed to removing the image, although perhaps we could get WP:3O on it (since perhaps weak image is still superior to no image?). As for other issues, I believe the facts are correct, but they need to be referenced. Otherwise it is WP:OR :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want disputes, so basically if you think the article is better with the image such as it is, I will yield because I couldn't care less.
As for OR concerns, you could raise them in the DYK, I have no problem with that. I just can't find the source saying "elsewhere", even though the sources say for a fact that in USSR, it's the Armenian Radio only.
I will return to the article shortly Szmenderowiecki (talk) 21:30, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since the hook is not related to the lead issues, I don't feel this is a DYK issue. I just noted this here for you and others who may want to improve it later. As for the image, I think the article is marginally better with this image. Strong stress on marginally. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Examples?

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I’m dismayed that this article doesn’t have any examples of Armenian Radio jokes. I think two would be a good number. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 13:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I fully agree, but @Szmenderowiecki: has claimed WP: OWNERSHIP and is reverting any attempts to restore the ones they deleted. Jpatokal (talk) 21:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jpatokal, Zanahary I have not claimed any ownership and I was not even aware of the talk page discussion going on, so knock it off. Reverting once is not OWNing an article.
If you insist on a couple examples, you can copy them back from Wikiquotes, or, if you have something to add, better add there. The reason I reverted you is that it just didn't fit within the Themes section. But you can create an "Examples" section and have two or three jokes over there, not a big deal for me, even if I prefer everything to be in Wikiquotes. Just make sure they more or less reflect the themes Szmenderowiecki (talk) 01:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for the snark, but you did delete them twice...
That said, if we have a separate Examples section, it will just grow until it duplicates Wikiquotes. Better to have the examples mixed in directly with the prose, so they illustrate the themes. Jpatokal (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, then what we need is rewrite the Themes section so that the jokes fit organically within the description of main topics the jokes are about. We can do that: just choose 2-3 better-known jokes to incorporate in the text - one or even two political, one sexual and one "Armenian". Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jpatokal, better? Szmenderowiecki (talk) 17:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you! Jpatokal (talk) 04:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I want everyone to hug! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 04:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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