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I find it mildly amusing (though not necessarily incorrect) to see that Noam Chomsky has made the grade as a crucial part of the notion of "dissent" Lucidish 19:00, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Bookable offence?

What the heck does "Bookable offence" mean? rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 19:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody give me ONE good reason for letting these external links stay? If not, they're pretty damn biased and unreasonable and I'm going to pull them. Grahamdubya 04:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

Don't get me wrong I agree with this statement: "Several thinkers have argued that a healthy society needs not only to protect, but also to encourage dissent." Although a dose of dissent is healthy to a community, a dissident however may have a negative effect on smaller groups such as friends, work groups etc, always nay-saying and not contributing practical solutions for example. I think something like this should be added to the article, anybody help with a source? Ryan4314 (talk) 14:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kalama Sutta

Maybe it's better to build a short section within the article about its meaning.

Austerlitz -- 88.72.12.20 (talk) 11:12, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Working with dissent

There are different ways in different groups to work with opinions or convictions being considered to be sectarian. (I am not sure whether this is the right word in this context.) I think we should work this out a little bit within the article, sooner or later.

To begin with: ^[1]

^ Statement Of His Eminence The Gaden Tri Rinpoche (Head Of Gelukpa Sect) Regarding The Worship Of Gods And Protectors Excerpt: „The Mahayana teachings advocates altruistic attitude of sacrificing few for the sake of many. Thus why is it not possible for one, who acclaims oneself to be a Mahayana, to stop worshipping these dubious gods and deities for the sake and benefit of the Tibetans in whole and for the well-being of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. In the Vinaya (Buddhist code of discipline), it is held that since a controversial issue is settled by picking the mandatory twig by 'accepting the voice of many by the few' the resolution should be accepted by all. As it has been supported by ninety five percent it would be wise and advisable for the rest five percent to stop worshipping the deity keeping in mind that there exists provisions such as the four Severe Punishments (Nan tur bzhi), the seven Expulsions (Gnas dbyung bdun) and the four Convictions (Grangs gzhug bzhi) in the Vinaya.“

His Eminence states that according to the Vinaya the minority has to follow or at least it should follow the majority (in numbers) in order to reestablish harmony.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.94.166 (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

working with spirits Two extracts from the autobiography of the Fifth Dalai Lama called Dukulai Gosang, Volume Kha, Lhasa Publication taken from the Homepage of The 14TH Dalai Lama. This is a story from tibetan history, still alive nowadays.

P.S. I don't want to stick to buddhism or Tibet, in future I'd like to mention some story of Dissent in Psychoanalysis, for example. Or communism. About dissent in churches we already know enough, do we?

Austerlitz -- 88.72.5.166 (talk) 11:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dalai Lama on Religious Harmony

Religious Harmony Does dissent destroy harmony? Is harmony more important than truth?

Austerlitz -- 88.72.6.251 (talk) 11:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Candrakīrti Quote

“ If, by trying to understand the truth, you dispel the misunderstandings of some people and thereby some philosophies are damaged - that cannot be taken as criticising the views of others. ”

MADHYAMIKA-AVATARA

taken from Ringu Tulku: The Rimé (Ris-med) movement of Jamgon Kongtrul the Great

Seems as if in Buddhism it is forbidden to criticise the "views of others". Does anybody know a source for that view or some further explanation of this concept?

Austerlitz -- 88.72.6.251 (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This belongs here, too, it has to be considered within the context according to my opinion: [1]

Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.4 (talk) 09:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Creating "Schism" as a "sin"

Glossary of Buddhist Terms: Letters F - J Site of the New Kadampa Tradition

Five heinous actions: These are the five worst negative actions: killing one’s father, killing one’s mother, killing a Foe Destroyer, drawing the blood of a Buddha with harmful intention, and causing division within the Sangha or Dharma community. Also known as the `five actions of immediate retribution’.

Austerlitz -- 88.75.192.72 (talk) 22:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dissident theologians

The term dissent is often used in the context of theology, and this should maybe be noted. There is even a category called Category:Dissident Roman Catholic theologians. ADM (talk) 11:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Austerlitz -- 88.72.18.251 (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?

Should Dissenter be merged here per WP:GLOBAL? It seems Nonconformist (as precurrent WP:COMMONNAME) covers much the non-global, religious history-specific scope of Dissenter, doesn't it? PPEMES (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, any reason why organizational dissent could not be merged here too? PPEMES (talk) 17:03, 23 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree with merging Dissenter, but isn't Organizational dissent too lengthy to be merged? --MisterSanderson (talk) 16:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about WP:NOTFINISHED? PPEMES (talk) 00:08, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Thanks Teishin for great contributions! Would you mind having a look if you could also make some improvements to Template:Conformity? Thank you! PPEMES (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks PPEMES. I just stumbled into the page while working on something else. It seemed straightforward how to flesh the page out similar to how other broad topics had been handled. Just go through the See Alsos, make the key ones subsections, and copy in parts of the ledes to the See Alsos as the content. I'll take a look at that template, but this is not an area where I think I have any special expertise. On this page I just did some basic editing that required no particular expertise the subject.Teishin (talk) 21:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No matter how or why, your end results made good progess for this corner of Wikipedia, where none else had previously bothered. Thank you! PPEMES (talk) 21:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dissenter appears to about a specific, historical group of people. Consequently it would not seem to be a good candidate to merge here. Teishin (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I gladly support the split and merge of Dissenter, as that article currently is an unfortunate amalgamation of two distinct topics. I understand the Organizational dissent article to be a child article of Dissent in WP:summary style. I oppose a merge as the organizational dissent article is well developed and has additional organizational management concerns which are not relevant to dissent in other contexts. Comment: @Teishin: Thank you for your work on this article! I offer my opinion to say that the article feels disjointed to me, as if it is a dictionary entry describing multiple loosely related topics involving dissent. In further edits, I would encourage you and other editors to focus on the main subject, dissent itself, and the dynamics around it as a sociological and political phenomenon. I think the article should clearly be about dissent in religion and dissent in jurisprudence rather than about heresy and dissenting opinions as such. They are not exactly summary style child topics, but related topics. Daask (talk) 00:30, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Biography tag

Hi: I'm not sure that the Biography tag is justified for this page. It is not about a person.

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Thanks FeanorStar7 (talk) 14:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Religios dissent

Religious dissent in the article is reduced to heresy and schism. Its scope should be significantly broader: not all dissent is heretical or schismatic. For example, a Catholic couple using contraception consciously dissent from the teaching of the Church, but they are neither heretics nor schismatics. If someone is competent enough to write on this topics, please do. --Nieszczarda2 (talk) 22:56, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Debate

political stand 119.92.207.10 (talk) 02:12, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Statement Of His Eminence The Gaden Tri Rinpoche (Head Of Gelukpa Sect) Regarding The Worship Of Gods And Protectors Excerpt: „The Mahayana teachings advocates altruistic attitude of sacrificing few for the sake of many. Thus why is it not possible for one, who acclaims oneself to be a Mahayana, to stop worshipping these dubious gods and deities for the sake and benefit of the Tibetans in whole and for the well-being of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. In the Vinaya (Buddhist code of discipline), it is held that since a controversial issue is settled by picking the mandatory twig by 'accepting the voice of many by the few' the resolution should be accepted by all. As it has been supported by ninety five percent it would be wise and advisable for the rest five percent to stop worshipping the deity keeping in mind that there exists provisions such as the four Severe Punishments (Nan tur bzhi), the seven Expulsions (Gnas dbyung bdun) and the four Convictions (Grangs gzhug bzhi) in the Vinaya.“

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