Talk:Yo (Cyrillic)

True or false: this letter is written as a plain E except in Russian texts for learners which is when it is written with the diaresis. 66.245.78.144 17:20, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

False. It is also used to distinguish words such as всё and все that would otherwise be ambiguous. It also occurs in transcriptions from such languages as Chinese and Korean. It is regularly used in dictionaries, and it often appears in the lyrics of songs to facilitate reading. I've noticed that more and more writing on the Web uses it consistently. Shorne 04:31, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ё = fuck?

On the web I found some pages that translated Ё or yo with f---. Is that normal informal usage in Russian?--Hhielscher 16:49, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

To a small degree. It can't be used alone as a replacement for "fuck", but in some forms it can (the origin is from ebat/yobanij/etc. - the Russian word for fuck in various forms, but the meaning is closer to "shit!"). The example forms are "Yo Pe Re Se Te", a play on O P R S T (the alphabet sequence, as if the speaker didn't want to swear, but recite the alphabet) and "Yo Moyo" (literally "My Yo"). But "Yo" can't be used by itself.

It's not Ё. It's Ёб! from ебать = to fuck. --193.239.170.30 05:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Other euphemisms (which are in themselves are meaningless expressions) include "yolki-palki" ("firs-sticks"), "yolki-motalki" ("firs-spinners") and "yozh tvoyu med" ("hedgehog your copper"). The firtst two have solidly lost the original association and are freely used in civilized (albeit colloquial) speech. `'Míkka 06:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

??

What's the "Civil" alphabet? Anton 03:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

The Grazhdanka. See Reforms of Russian orthography. —Michael Z. 2005-12-22 05:31 Z

Remember 'Yo, Blair'? Though I don't think Bush speaks Russian. --Vladko 03:54, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yolessness

For quite some time I am horribly bugged with an enigma of some pre-Revolutionary names which are transcribed in some English books with 'yo', but I have never seen them with Ё. Examples include

• Lyov Bronstein (could well have been "Löw" like in Rabbi Löw)
• Alexander Kutyopov (eg in Jamie Bisher, White Terror: Cossack Warlords of the Trans-Siberian)
• Nikolai Yudyonich (eg in White Eagle, Red Star by Norman Davies)

The last two examples are by historians who worked with original documents of the period, and I doubt they made typos here. Does anyone know anything? `'Míkka 06:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Letter of the alphabet?

No dictionary I've seen alphabetizes Ё separately from Е, and one of my dictionaries explicitly states under the entry for Ё "not considered a separate letter of the Russian alphabet." Why then is it treated as such on Wikipedia? I would propose instead of "seventh letter of the Russia Cyrillic alphabet" something like "often shown after E in listings of the Russian Cyrillic alphabet, but not considered a separate letter." However - listings for other letters are consistent, e.g. the article on Й states that it is the 11th letter of the alphabet while my dictionary states it is the 10th. Gr8white 02:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

It is a letter. The rules call it a letter.[1][2]. There is no “"” modifier character in Russian.

All those dictionaries sort it that way because of the people who replace “ё” with “е”, and want to have a 10-character alphabet with rules they wouldn't have been able to learn from scratch themselves.

There are no words beginning with “Ы” in your dictionaries. Is “Ы” not a letter?

--AVRS 09:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure what your point is regarding “Ы” - my dictionary lists it as "the 28th letter of the Russian alphabet." There don't have to be any words beginning with a character for it to be a letter and I didn't imply there has to be. It is alphabetized separately from every other letter in the words it appears in. I agree that a character doesn't need to be alphabetized separately in order to qualify as a letter - e.g. in the Spanish alphabet, "ch" and "ll" at one time were separated but no longer are, though they are still considered letters.Gr8white 16:24, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome. As for the “Ы” mention, I was in less than good mood, and had to correct an orthography edit which replaced “ё”s with “е”s recently, so I've put as many details as I could here to be safe in case ё-haters come. ;-) --AVRS 17:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I think...

I think that this articles should be renamed to "Ё (cyrillic).WASP-CoRoT-1 (talk) 17:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

modern usage?

I was surprised to see that the android keyboard dictionary contains words in ye spelling only. Is it still common in general that computer software defaults to ye?--78.49.229.55 (talk) 15:48, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Ёless electronic dictionaries are not uncommon, but indicate a failure, comparable to a French dictionary that doesn’t support accents. The last character encoding of Russian that didn’t include Ё was KOI7, so one can’t say that the letter is neglected. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 16:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Chinese

However, the 〈ё〉 is not used in the Russian transcription of the Chinese language, as the syllable that is spelled you in pinyin is represented by 〈ю〉 in the standard Russian transcription, and yao is 〈яо〉.

This statement is wrong. The syllable yo is transcribed as ё. --2.245.192.184 (talk) 03:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but the syllable yo in Chinese only exists as interjections (哟, 唷), so it would not usually be transcribed. Double sharp (talk) 04:59, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Graphical diffrence between latin ë and cyrillic ë ?

See the discussion in Talk:Ë.

--AXRL (talk) 16:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

"Hearst"/"Hurst"/"Hirst"

I'm not a native Russian speaker, but could the German "Horst" not also be added to this list?64.231.8.210 (talk) 21:59, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

No, Horst is transcribed Хорст. Double sharp (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Google docs spelling ignoring Yo letter

Google documents spelling highlights all words with Yo (Ё ё) as misspelled, thus ignoring the fact that Yo is a legitimate letter of the Cyrillic script. I recon this information is worth adding to the article to maintain its consistency and true neutrality. 37.147.251.233 (talk)

Increase in use?

"By and large, it is used only in dictionaries and in pedagogical literature intended for children and students of Russian as a second language." I never fully grasped the Russian languages despite some brave attempts to learn it. But these days, for obvious and not such good reasons, I once again see a lot of Russian. Many of these sources seem to use the letter yo. Can we conclude that this letter is becoming increasingly common in everyday written Russian? Steinbach (talk) 22:28, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, the usage of yo now seems to be increasing. The newspaper Literaturnaya Gazeta switched to the spelling with yo in 2004, the newspaper Argumenty i Fakty in 2006, the magazine Nauka i Zhizn in 2008... But still, the letter yo is optional. It is writer's choice whether to use or not to use this letter in an everyday text. It is OK to write ёж, чёрный, пойдём. It is also OK to write еж, черный, пойдем. When you are in Russia, you may see Приём платежей (accepting payments) written on one automated machine and Прием платежей on a neighboring one.Burzuchius (talk) 09:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

In that case, the statement I quoted from the article is obsolete. Should we change the article accordingly? Steinbach (talk) 17:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Everything much more simple:

The "Ё" symbol had been placed under Escape button in Russian windows keyboard layout. It makes almost impossible to use it. Common practice is replace "Ё" by "E" symbol when typing on PC. It will be fixed by redactor in news/magazines/websites only.

But everybody use "Ё" when handwriting because replacing "Ё" by "E" is strong grammar mistake. 178.66.130.47 (talk) 11:52, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You are wrong. Replacing Ё by Е is not a strong orthographic mistake. The letter Ё is optional in the Russian orthography and has always been so except for a brief period in the 1940s when there was an attempt to make Ё mandatory. See [3]. Burzuchius (talk) 21:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)