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Requested move

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The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move. Eugène van der Pijll 16:31, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Haakon Magnus, Crown Prince of Norway → Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway … Rationale: The Crown Prince does not use his full name. There is greater use of Haakon than for Haakon Magnus. —Charles 22:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Discussion

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This usage is having the article Elizabeth II Alexandra Mary of the United Kingdom, etc. Haakon Magnus is not in official use, nor is it more commonly used. Charles 22:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

To <br> or not to <br>

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Just to clarify my insertion of <br>'s between the two Line of succession-boxen at the foot of misc 'royal' articles, this one included: the intent was/is to insert a little 'breathing' space (an empty line) between the boxen, to prevent them from directly touching each other. Purely an aesthetic measure, I admit, but how about discussing it before summarily removing them?

I presume the trouble might pertain to different rendering among different skins (?), but in that case, feel free to describe the effects. I am interested in hearing about them, as I too would like to do my edits knowing that they won't result in bad layout effects in other skins than the one I am currently using. I would hope the Wikipedia code didn't allow such things to happen, though (?). --Wernher 03:30, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

He may choose that name

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When (if) he succeeds to the Throne, it could be as (most likely) Haakon VIII, or maybe Magnus VII or even (though less likely), Haakon-Magnus I. Mightberight/wrong] 21:05, 28 October 2005.

I have a hazy memory that in some royal house or other (I'm thinking Italy or one of its predecessors) the monarchs typically had two names and a number for each, so he could be Haakon VIII Magnus VII. —Tamfang 06:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When he succeeds, we'll have to move the article anyway. Let's leave this till then. Septentrionalis 17:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So it is OK for this dictionary to contain errors? What a stupid concept. Dubidub 13:19, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

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I suggest renaming the page "Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway". Haakon Magnus is his full baptismal name, but that is not the name he uses. This change will require an administrator (I think) since the page already exists as a redirect. Noel S McFerran 19:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Line of succession to the British throne

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Why does the table at the end include "Line of succession to the British throne" ?

As a descendant of Maud of Wales, a granddaughter of Victoria of the United Kingdom, he is legally in the Line of succession to the British throne, as are the royal families of Sweden, Denmark, and Greece. The Spanish royal family would be as well, if not for their being Catholic. Hope that answers your question. Prsgoddess187 17:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is the kind of trivia which some Wiki-editors like - but it's entirely inappropriate for an encyclopedia. You wouldn't find this type of "information" in the Britannica, and it really shouldn't be here either. Noel S McFerran 02:37, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually this is the kind of lack on information that makes Encyclopædia Britannica a rather limited resource. I think we are doing a better job with variety of information if not in content. User:Dimadick

Page name

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Why is this page named "Haakon Magnus, Crown Prince of Norway", when his correct name is "Crown Prince Haakon", not including Magnus? For a reference, see the official royal website at http://www.kongehuset.no/default.asp?lang=eng (click on The Royal family -> Today´s Royal Family -> HRH The Crown Prince).
Dubidub 17:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements

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Some of the ideas need thinking through and stating better, in the appropriate places.

  • On birth he was named Prince Haakon Magnus but it was stressed in the announcement that he would go by the name Haakon.
If you have decided that the page is called Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway, the this sentence about him being called Haakon Magnus is really not the sort of significant stuff that you need to put in the second sentence of the article.
The only reason why the name "Magnus" is any sort of an issue is because of its meaning. It means "Great". So it would be inappropriate to call a king "King Haakon Magnus" until he had earned the right to such a name, like Carolus Magnus or Alfred the Great.
  • The first paragraph must sum up the rest of the article.
"Haakon, Crown Prince of Norway (date of birth) is the apparent heir to the throne of Norway (and any other colonies or dependencies that should be mentioned). He is the son of King So-on and Queen Such of Norway. He is married to this person. He holds this and that important position in military, industry or govenrment.
  • Second section.
Prince Haakon was born on (date stated in full) at (such a place), the eldest son of King So-on and Queen Such of Norway. Or should we say "the Crown Prince and Princess, later King etc etc of Norway, as his grandfather appears to have been on the throne at the time.. He was baptised Haakon Magnus (NOTE: he wasn't baptised Prince Haakon Magnus. Only Michael Jackson was that stupid) with the palace issuing a statement that he was to be known as "Haakon". His godparents were his grandfather King ....(is this right?) and etc etc etc. Haakon became the Crown Prince and Heir Apparent to the throne of Norway on the ascent of his father King etc date etc.

The fact that he is third cousin to the Prince of Wales ought to be stated before the fact that he is in the royal line of descent for the British throne. Third cousin makes the rather distant connection more obvious. Amandajm (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Is anybody going to fix this article or are you waiting for me to do it?
Amandajm (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help!

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The comments that I just added have a line through them. I don't know how to revert this. It is not customary on English Wikipedia to strike out discussions, regardless of whether the editor considers the matter dealt with. Could the person who did this please remove all the lines?

Amandajm (talk) 15:46, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I found the problem. Amandajm (talk) 15:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proper Introduction

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It's very cordial of the prince to provide a link to his sister's page on his Wikipedia presence.

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Regency

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Should we mention that he's currently regent? or is this a common thing, in the last few months. GoodDay (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should the controversies of Haakon's wife be mentioned in the lead?

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On 26 August 2022‎, JayBeeEll made a revert to my edit, stating, "sources fail to verify; but also this labeling is unambiguous BLP-violation". JayBeeEll seems to believe that when I did "describe an individual as 'controversial'" —regarding Haakon's wife Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby— there was a violation of the Biographies of living persons policy (not clear what relevant section) and that the "sources fail to verify". This even though I had verified the information and included two inline citations[1][2] that in my opinion supports the characterization as "controversial". Business Insider stated, "These days, the Crown Princess is far less controversial". It is evident that is the same as stating that she was controversial. The Guardian used a word or two that may be harsher than writing "controversial".

Today I found more references that seem to corroborate that Princess Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby was controversial at the time of her marriage with Prince Haakon.[1][2][3].

According to the guideline MOS:LABEL, "Rather than describing an individual using the subjective and vague term controversial, instead give readers information about relevant controversies." The controversies in the process of the marriage of Haakon seem to be notable and are in the body of the article. Maybe they are notable enough to be included in the lead of the current Haakon page.

  1. Should the controversies of Haakon's wife be mentioned in the lead?
    1. If yes, is the text in the lead "He married a controversial[4][5] regular citizen, Mette-Marit Tjessem Høiby" ok, if it is in reference to further context in the body of the article?
    2. If yes but in another words, what words?

Thinker78 (talk) 19:07, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BLPSTYLE: Do not label people with contentious labels, loaded language, or terms that lack precision, unless a person is commonly described that way in reliable sources. Instead use clear, direct language and let facts alone do the talking. --JBL (talk) 17:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but should the controversies of Haakon's wife be mentioned in the lead? Thinker78 (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make a concrete proposal of some language to add, I would be happy to weigh in on whether I think it is appropriate. In doing so, I will be keeping in mind WP:BLP, WP:DUE, and the fact that this is a biography of Haakon, not of his wife. JBL (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that this is a biographical article about Haakon, not his wife. But his marriage proved to be controversial for a time. The question then beofore any proposal is if such controversy belongs in the lead or not, because it is a controversy that seems to relate integrally to the life of Haakon and his role in his country. Thinker78 (talk) 19:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to make a concrete proposal of some language to add, I would be happy to weigh in on whether I think it is appropriate. JBL (talk) 00:49, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Abrams, Margaret (21 Feb 2018). "Meet Mette-Marit, the Crown Princess of Norway with a wild past that includes drug use and a controversial ex". Business Insider. Retrieved 14 Aug 2022.
  2. ^ Osborn, Andrew (23 Aug 2001). "Norway's royal union causes an uncommon row". The Guardian. Retrieved 14 Aug 2022.

"Crown Prince of Norway" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Crown Prince of Norway has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 1 § Crown Prince of Norway until a consensus is reached. Estar8806 (talk) 21:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Haakon VIII" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Haakon VIII has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 23 § Haakon VIII until a consensus is reached. Estar8806 (talk) 15:43, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Marius Borg Høiby

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Isn't he his stepson? If so, wouldn't he be mentioned in the introductory paragraph with his other children? I didn't want to change it without asking. Anythingidontevencare (talk) 12:59, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Haakon VIII Magnus" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Next king of Norway" listed at Redirects for discussion

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