Talk:Richard Walther Darré

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Secret Nazi Speech

Is this regarded as credible by historians? If not, reference to it should be removed. The contents seem fantastic and much more likely the work of an English writer than a German one. "Proud Albion"? It was supposedly given May 1940, yet its contents seem to match the situation of late 1940, as the UK saw it, all too well, whereas its forecasts of German activity after that point are wrong. Qemist (talk) 05:33, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

it's been removed and reinstated a couple of times over the years. It certainly reads like pure Allied propaganda, especially given the magazine's own tentative description, and I don't think an original German source has ever been identified. And it's very untypical of the writings and speeches that we know are authentic. Mhkay (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The speech is quite plausible because both Hugenberg and Darre were quite upfront about the Lebensraum project with the aggie crowd at a time when Goebbels and Hitler were trying to improve the Reich's image. See for example the transcript of a 1936 Darre speech in Zeitschrift fuer Geschichtswissenschaft 49(2001), 141-57. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.112.165 (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's one of the easier spotted propaganda inventions, but then our "Historians" have no problem affirming veracity of equally bogus or dubious speeches & documents as long as they seem to fit their narrative. --197.229.154.1 (talk) 18:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eleanore Lagergren

Someone added the information, with no evidence, that Richard's mother Eleanore had Spanish blood. I have deleted this because it contradicts the (unpublished) genealogy I have for her. According to this information her ancestry is as follows:

1. Theodore Erik Lagergren b. 1839 Glömminge, Sweden d. 1873 Buenos Aires, Argentina 1.1 Jonas Peter Lagergren b. 1787 "Kalmar" (probably a misreading of "Kalmar", Sweden) 1.2 Elin Hakansdotter b. 1797 Berga,Resmo (Kalmar county, Sweden) 2. Josefina Margarete Thole, b. 1841 Haselünne, Friesland 2.1 Johann Bernhard Josef Thole, b. 1809 Haselünne, Friesland 2.2 Anna Maria Elisabeth Badde, b. 1800 Cloppenburg, Germany

So she had two Swedish grandparents, one German, and one Dutch (except it was annexed by Napoleonic France at the time). Since her detailed ancestry has no place in this article, we could probably approximate to saying she was half Swedish and half Dutch, based on the birthplace of her parents. Mhkay (talk) 08:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up. Haselünne today is on the German side of the border in Lower Saxony. Borders in that part of the world have changed over the years but I have not been able to find confirmation that it was in Friesland (or the Netherlands) in 1809 or 1841. And in any case, I'm not sure what Wikipedia policy is when the town of birth was in a different country at the time. Mhkay (talk) 08:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]