User talk:Ingoman

moved your Tunis image to Commons

Hi I moved your image Tunis.png to Commons [[1]] because it was colliding with another image already on the commons called Tunis.png. I updated all the pages that use your image as well to use the new name. Sbwoodside 02:34, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Late Ottoman flag

Hi Ingoman, I recently edited the Ottoman Flag article, correcting the information on the relationship between the late Ottoman flag and the flag of Turkey (they are not identical, as was stated in the article). I also replaced, in the Reform and Decline section, the image (Image:Ottoman_Religious1789-1923.png [2]) with (Image:OttomanReligious.png [3]), both uploaded by you. The problem with the first image is that it is clearly a copy of the modern Turkish flag (see Image:Flag of Turkey.svg [4]), recognizable by its clear geometric proportions, painted into green with an image editing tool, and this is not historically accurate. I changed the reference in the article to the second image (Image:OttomanReligious.png) uploaded by you on February, and I am marking the wrong flag image for deletion. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 19:30, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rise of the Islamic Courts

On 25-Sep, you added a {{rfd}} tag to Rise of the Islamic Courts. However, you never listed this redirect at WP:RFD. If you still wish to nominate this redirect for deletion, please complete your nomination. The instructions are listed at WP:RFD. If you don't list it within a reasonable time, I'll assume you don't wish to proceed and remove the tag. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 17:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

image question

I left a question at Image talk:Somali land 2006 10 10.png on a point I'm confused about in the description. Thanks, BanyanTree 22:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Somali Land 2006: congratulations!

Thank you so much! It is by far the best and most relevant map on Somalia available anywhere on the Web. I'll make good use of it here at UQAM in Montreal. Two questions: 1) where did you get the info about all the subdivisions and their exact geographical boundaries? 2) Are they named after sub-clans, or some other convenient way? I mean, I understand the color scheme and who controls what, but I don't know why subdivisions are named the way they are. Paradis pe 02:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Let me add to these congrulations. :) Another update, BTW: Hobyo is now in the hands of the ICU,(ref) so I think you can delete "Southern Mudug" entirely from the next map update... —Nightstallion (?) 18:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing, interesting though, they helped set up Southern Mudug with local elders in mid-August after they drove out the pirate lords there. I think I'm going to draw in Gaalkacayo as being disputed between Puntland and the Islamic Courts, as the southern half of the province is loosely held by ICU-aligned militias, and there are islamic courts in both north and south Gaalkacayo now, as of yesterday, despite the district technically being part of Puntland. --Ingoman 20:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Great to see such an interesting and undervalued topic in your safe hands on Wikipedia. :) —Nightstallion (?) 22:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Your new maps

You mixed up Jubaland and Puntland in a few of the legends -- in some of them, Puntland is given as belonging to the Transitional Government, when you actually meant that Jubaland does. —Nightstallion (?) 14:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Ahh crap, thanks for that. --Ingoman 16:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

And once again, though my repetition must get on your nerves by now, I am amazed by the quality of your maps on the highly complicated Somalia issue. :) —Nightstallion (?) 20:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Praise is always appreciated. I've been trying to research the period between 1991 and 2000, but it's difficult because the period is so chaotic. I also wanted to do a map on the Ogaden War, but it's very difficult to get a good account of the WSLF's campaign in the south.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ingoman (talk • contribs)

Well, I hope you'll be successful! —Nightstallion (?) 16:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Shabelle is reporting that Bardhere, too, has joined the Islamic Courts, so the map will need to be updated. This looks like a very high-maintenance project :). --WikiMarshall 05:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not enough to establish an Islamic Court, otherwise Galkacyo would be part of the ICU as well. I consider territory with an Islamic Court but still controlled by the JVA or Puntland as disputed. The ICU still has to defeat the JVA forces in Bardhere in order to fully control the district. --Ingoman 06:24, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Basketballplayer90000 has expressed what appear to be some legitimate concerns about this map on my talk page. Can you please address these concerns? I'm neutral aside from the fact that I think your map is very nice looking. shotwell 00:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I have gathered, Basketballplayer9000 is a hardcore Somaliland nationalist, and as such he does not recognize that the eastern regions are disputed between Somaliland and Puntland, or even that Puntland really exists as a state, nor the Transitional Government's authority. Legitimacy means little however, and my maps are based entirely on actual reality on the ground. This reality is: Sool and Sanaaq are not unquestionably Somaliland territory, and are very much in dispute between Puntland and Somaliland. Baidoa and Gedo are still garrisoned by thousands of JVA, Government and Ethiopian soliders, and by no stretch of the imagination could be considered to belong to the ICU (though Gedo is definitely going in that direction) and North Galkacyo still has a few thousands Puntland and Ethiopian forces stationed there.

Outside Editor on the Somali people page

to shotwell or Ingoman i need one of you to review the somali people page and see wich one is the best

also look at the discussion page where you can see why there is a edit conflict RoboRanks 02:22, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Somali Civil War

Sorry. I saw those and I could not figure out what they were. I assumed a new user had tried to wing it with formatting. What do they do? This is the first time I have come across those. KazakhPol 00:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

They keep the floated images from "stacking" the way they do now that you removed them. --Ingoman 01:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Upload Somalia maps on Commons?

Hi Ingoman
I established the Somalia portal in the German-language Wikipedia and I appreciate your very good and useful maps of the political situation in Somalia. But why don't you upload your maps in the Commons – so that they are available for all Wikipedias – instead of only in the English-language Wikipedia? Regards, Béka 17:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

The maps are in English, though I suppose that's not much of an impediment. I've released the maps to the public domain, so all are free to use them however they wish.--Ingoman 17:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Somali war

Hi,

see my changes on Somali Civil War (2006). I call you to continue developing the NEW article. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Islamic Courts seal

Hi, thanks for adding that graphic, I was looking at the photo you linked it to and it looks like a book underneath the scales, with a black on white Shahada underneath that, I'm going to upload a seal I made based off the photo on my user profile. I think it fits the photo better, but you uploaded the photo so I'll let you be the judge on whether you want to use it or not.Orthuberra 07:58, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Somali land 2006 12 02.png

Nice job on this map! It's the kind of thing we need more of on Wikipedia. (BTW, I left a note on your blog; I hope you take it as constructive criticism, & that it doesn't keep you from considering joining WikiProject Ethiopia.) -- llywrch 22:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks! The exact role of the Sabaeans in founding the Axumite Empire and Da'amot is a very contentious issue, and my own opinion in light of the existing evidence is put forth in my blog entry. This is primarily based on the fact that Sabaean and Ge'ez (both the spoken and written language) are both descended from the same root language (Old South Arabian), and that this root language was the language spoken in South Arabia during the time that the Sabaeans would have invaded Eritrea (roughly 800 BC), and that after 800 BC, Sabaeans referred to themselves the "Mukarribs of Saba and Da'amot", or in mordern terms, the Priest-King of Yemen and Eritrea.--Ingoman 22:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Can you provide the source of the data you used to produce commons:Image:Somali land 2006 12 02.png and/or commons:Image:Somali land 2006 11 14.png? It seems there is already a revert contest underway regarding the inclusion of one version versus the other. I would assume we want to include the most recent version, but the bigger issue is: what is the data source? If we can point to a verifiable source for the information presented in the map then we'll have justification to include it (or to favor one vs. the other). I have to admit, I'm reluctant to ask because of both the quality of the map, as well as the time and effort you've invested. You can weigh in at Talk:Somalia#Map but I also left comments at Commons ([5],[6]). Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

the fact of sool,sanaag&cayn

The Somali people in the Horn of Africa were, and still are, the most homogenous people in Africa below the Sahara. They have the same religion, race, culture, language, blood ties and common homeland. Following the European scramble for Africa, the Somali homeland in the Horn of Africa was divided into five parts, creating British Somaliland, Italian Somaliland, French Somaliland (now Djibouti), Ethiopian Somaliland (Ogaden), and the North Eastern region of Kenya (NFD)

The consequence of these colonial conquests was that artificial boundaries were imposed on the Somalis in which clans found themselves divided among the various colonial territories. In the case of British Somaliland, the Darood clans, who inhabit the regions of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (approximating over 40 percent of the geographical area of the so-called Somaliland), were separated from their fellow clan cousins in Southern Somalia (Puntalnd). So were the Gadabuaursi and Issas whose regions border Djibouti and Ethiopia. Thus, there are no particular common denominators among the clans in former British Somaliland that distinguish them from clans in other neighbouring Somali territories other than the British rule. Rather, they had less blood ties amongst themselves and more with those across the artificial borders in Italian, French, and Ethiopian Somalilands.

It is the artificial division of the Somali homeland in the Horn that served as the driving force for Somali nationalism and the struggle for Somali independence and unity. The five-pointed star of Somalia's national flag symbolizes the aspiration of Somalia's divided people to be free from foreign occupation or domination and that they will eventually unite as one country. The independence of former British and Italian Somalilands and their unity on July first, 1960 was the first realization of this dream. that there were problems soon after independence is an exaggeration. It is true that there were initially some teething administrative problems as was to be expected given that the territories were under colonial powers with different administrative systems for nearly a century. It is also true that the Isaaq clan were somewhat grumpy about losing their former dominance of the North during the time of the British rule. All other clans were indeed very happy to be part of Somalia. If there were problems, they had nothing to do with the Union per se but to historically inherited difficulties or to the wrongs of Somali leaders as later happened.

When the Somali rebel movements succeeded in 1991 to topple the government of the late dictator Siyad Barre, with military help from Ethiopia, the Isaaq clan in the North Western region of Somalia declared their secession from Somalia and adopted the old name colonial name of Somaliland. They had been successful to the extent of propagating the lie that all the other clans in the territory are fully behind this secession. That is a blatant travesty of the facts.. The Darood clans in the territory remain as loyal to their membership of Somalia as they had been since July 1960 when the former British and Italian Somalilands united. So are the overwhelming majority of Gadabuursi and Issa's. But unlike the Daroods in Sool and Sanaag who can fight off the secessionists and repulse any intrusion into their territory, the Gadabuursi have no such advantages. They had suffered atrocities in 1991 from the Isaaq rebel movement (Somali National Movement) and are understandably not keen for the time being to provoke any military reprisals from the Isaaqs, unless thy can count on the support of an effective and functioning Somali government in Mogadishu which can come to their aid.

there is a “dispute” over Sool and Sanaag between Puntland and Somaliland is ludicrous. Puntland (including Sool and Sanaag) is part and parcel of Somalia just as the rest of Somaliland is. To suggest that there is a dispute between Somalia and Somaliland is to imply that Somaliland is itself not part of Somalia. It also implies that the people in the area under “dispute” do not exist or else that their voice/wishes do not count. There some writer may be a victim of the secessionist’s disinformation that Puntland had grabbed regions belonging to Somaliland. This interpretation is possible since writers or journalists visiting Hargeisa rarely ever go to the regions in question; Sool,cayn and Sanaag and ascertain for themselves what the true facts are: that it is the people in Sool and Sanaag regions who took the initiative to join the Puntalnd administration rather than the other way round. A rebel entity, based on one clan, has no legal basis to claim regions belonging to other clans, whose inhabitants had repeatedly made clear that they have nothing to do with the secession. Sool, Sanaag and Cayn regions had never participated in the elections except part of caynaba district(sool) and 21.23% sanaag(west of sanaag) include part of ceerigaabo when I say cerigabo is meaning the town where four tribes inhabitants(isaaq: habaryoonis,habarjeclo and darod:dhulbahante,warsangeli) that only the town that is true the town is ruled by hargeysa administration but the more pawore full is authority of four tribes sometime very thing change in persecond then back into the normal. there will be war between the Daroods and the Isaaqs over Sool and Sanaag specaility in ceerigaabo town.

I like to inform you mr. James Dahl in your last map you miss some thing there are area not contorled by any one.it ruled by tribes(graad&suldaan each of Dhulbahante and warsangeli) all area east of ceerigaabo(arigavo) district. If you see somalia district you know sanaag is five district they are:

1.Ceerigaabo isaaq,dhulbahante,warsangeli(you loss this area your map) Include :masagan,ceelaqoday,madare,ardaa,dhaxamo,biyoguduud,jiidali,fiqi fuleye,awrboogays,dhaabeeda,ceelqoxle ,xingalool,damalaxagare,yube,carmale,bir xamar,dabablehe [fallingrain] [statoids] [maplandia] [multimap] [geocities ] Northern Somali sultanates 2.Badhan warsangeli 3.Ceelafweyn habarjeco&habaryoonis 4.Laasqoray warsangeli 5'Dhahar warsangeli

I like to refer here your map is not including this area above(east arigavo district) 

Before british colonial if you look the history you see Makhir Coast (19th century Commercial center in Warsangeli Country) and also history of daraawiish [somaliawatch] [loc] [mudugonline ] [prohosting ] [geocities ] History of Somalia

the former colonial powers, Britain and Italy, do not see eye to eye about the Somalia’s problem and its solution. Nothing Britain has said or done can be interpreted that way. On the contrary, Britain has always joined other UN security members and its EU members to support Somalia unity. So has Italy. Britain had never given any false hopes to the secessionists regarding possible recognition. On the contrary, it has repeatedly advised them to settle their problems with their fellow brothers in Somalia.

“dispute or question about Somaliland’s status. It has no other status other than being a region of Somalia. That is the status that the international community recognizes as of now. If we say that the area be recognized as an independent country separate from Somalia, that is not the way to peace. It is a sure prescription for fanning the flames of the Somali civil war. Inevitably, there will be war between the Daroods and the Isaaqs over Sool and Sanaag. One can also envisage intervention by the Somali government – assuming it overcomes its present difficulties That augurs ill for the stability of the Horn and Africa as a whole. It is in the interest of peace that the clan-based secession be discouraged. In today’s Federal democratic Somalia, regions have more or less self autonomy. The Isaaq-dominated secessionists in the North have everything to gain by playing their full part in Somalia. To refuse unity is to unite the rest of the Somali people against them. Sooner or later, there is bound to be action from a future more effective and powerful government in Somalia. This time, the secessionists will not be facing Siyad Barre and its dreaded regime but the rest of the Somali people.

--Sanaaglander 12:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)osman hr

the problem sool,sanaag&buhoodle

hello mr. James Dahl

I think you didn't get the point I referred it in the past comment there are area you excepted in your map the lines extended in the conflict area between puntland and somaliland {ceerigaabo(arigavo) district}Include :masagan,ceelaqoday,madare,ardaa,dhaxamo,biyoguduud,jiidali,fiqi fuleye,awrboogays,dhaabeeda,ceelqoxle ,xingalool,damalaxagare,yube,carmale,bir xamar,dabablehe look map of ceerigaabo: [fallingrain] that mean that area is inhabitants by isaq clan or belong them but that is not true it is big mistake to refer area for one clan to other clan.reason of conflict is distribute of the tribes if you look map of somali clan families you see: [lib.utexas]

the puntland need to make harti state look map of puntland: [biyokulule] include all area inhabitants by harti clan,

where somaliland need to make isaaq nation in the boundaries of the new republic are the same as those of "British Somaliland [somalilandgov] that is impossible because who inhabit the regions of Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (approximating over 40 percent of the geographical area of the so-called Somaliland), were separated from their fellow clan cousins in Southern Somalia (Puntalnd).here I execept he Gadabuursi,They had suffered atrocities in 1991 and occupied from the Isaaq rebel movement (Somali National Movement) and are understandably not keen for the time being to provoke any military reprisals from the Isaaqs, unless thy can count on the support of an effective and functioning Somali government in Mogadishu which can come to their aid when somalia get central govertment.

mr. James Dahl you said(Sool and Sanaaq are disputed between Puntland and Somaliland, because some of the Qabiil wish to be part of Puntland and some other Qabiil want to be part of Somaliland.)

that is not true,there some people used by name in the hargeysa administration to give them money or other advantages there usually are some chief sub-clan they use them to the extent of propagating the lie that all the other clans in the territory are fully behind this secession. That is a blatant travesty of the facts.. those people we can count them by name, the problem not those poeple or what are they problem is reason of the conflict.

I think mr james your map is same map of Max Planck Institute for Social Anthropology they are some write are be a victim of the secessionist’s disinformation that Puntland had grabbed regions belonging to Somaliland. This interpretation is possible since writers or journalists visiting Hargeisa rarely ever go to the regions in question; Sool,cayn and Sanaag and ascertain for themselves what the true facts are: that it is the people in Sool and Sanaag regions who took the initiative to join the Puntalnd administration rather than the other way round.A rebel entity, based on one clan, has no legal basis to claim regions belonging to other clans

mr james your map must be basis the somali clan families map because that part of somalia unlike other parts of somalia so be becarefull that is reason of the confilict and your intersection lines must be cover all harti area in sool,sanaag and cayn using tha map of somali clan families :

• [lib.utexas]
• this correct and usefull map of harti part in former british [economist]

mr james you must know too that the people of Sool and Sanaag, as members of major Somali clans, have recognized borders. It is a well defined border, with longitude and latitude; it is borders well recognized by Her Majesty, the British Kingdom; it is a border that recognizes where the Isaq sub-clans reside and where the Harti sub-clans are too. don't disturb those borders and the peace. --Sanaaglander 19:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)--osman hr

Maps

Say, wouldn't it be time for a new map about now? —Nightstallion (?) 15:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Definitely. I was waiting for enough territory to change hands as to actually show up on the map. I think I left Jubaland and Southwestern Somalia on the map too long. Both alliance based TFG-aligned states have disintegrated, with parts allying themselves with the ICU or joining the TFG entirely. I may go back and change this. --Ingoman 00:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that may be a fact. If you do so, please also update the articles on Jubaland and Southwestern Somalia -- I'm fairly certain they're horribly out of date with these recent developments. Once again, thanks for your great coverage of these events on Wikipedia! —Nightstallion (?) 00:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for uploading some very nice maps of the situation in Somalia. It is great work, please keep them coming. However, I am a bit puzzled by your spelling for "Djibouti". Could you please look into this issue? Happy editing. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 11:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I know you've heard it all before, but your maps are absolutely fantastic. I was amazed when I saw that they were all mad and updated by one person. I've been following the conflict, using wikipedia before news sites, because the article is so useful, the maps are an integral part of that and really put it all in one place to see whats going on. Please keep them up! 8:30, 28 December 2006

Thanks! :) --Ingoman 09:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll echo that sentiment! They're really nice, one of the most clear maps currently to be found on the conflict. Could you enlighten me as to where you get all your information from? Cheers! The Minister of War ^(Peace) 14:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Well the map is constructed from district maps of Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia. When the seat of that district is taken by one side or another, I change the map. The background information of the map took a while to build, but once that was done it was easy. --Ingoman 21:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I see that you create some pretty useful stuff (like File:Icu flag.svg), it would save a lot of trouble for people on other wikipedias if you would just upload them to commons right away :) Keep up the good work notwist 10:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Maps again...

I've read that Ethiopia claims to controll 95% of "the territory"; I assume they mean "of the territory not under the controll of Puntland or Somaliland", but still, the last map you made has them controlling far less... I assume they controll next to everything except for Kismayo? —Nightstallion (?) 15:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi there.So what's the status in Somalia today?I heard that the Islamic Courts lost control of almost all of their territories.Dimts 10:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Failed GA on Rise of the Islamic Courts Union (2006)

I primarily failed the article because it was a current event. I was only following a guideline and I'm afraid I'm not experienced enough to judge a political article. Renominate it for someone else to do so. Have a nice day, and do post on my actual talk page rather than my user page. Wiki-newbie 18:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

...and again

Allow me to heap on another kudos for your Somalia maps. They are part of what makes Wikipedia great. And a question too -- what is your source for the district boundaries. I've seen the ElectionWorld outline map (Image:Somalia districts.png) but never one with more detail. Thanks. —  AjaxSmack  08:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the links and all your work. —  AjaxSmack  00:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

		The Graphic Designer's Barnstar
		For your prolific contributions to War in Somalia (2006–present) and Rise of the Islamic Courts Union (2006), the presence of which maps has served remarkably to improve such article and the precision of which is unparalled, you are to be commended. Joe 06:10, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

ICU flag

What is actually the flag of the Islamic courts union this: File:Icu flag.svg or this: File:Somalia Islamic Courts Flag.svg? Kermanshahi 08:59, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey!

Great to see you're active again! What's the latest news on the reconciliation conference? Likely to bring any changes for the better? —Nightstallion 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Maakhir

I noticed that there were two people editing and I didn't look to see who did what so this may not apply to you. I've cleaned up the links (and made no other changes to the article) and just wanted to let you know the following. In the body of the article there should only be one link to other articles. In other words the first time that "Somaliland" is in the article link it, but not every time it appears. Also, please don't make direct links into redirects. The following are direct links to articles: Jibrell Ali Salad (Jibrell Ali Salad Aadan), Warsangali (Warsangeli), Mohamud Muse Hersi (Adde Musa), Dhulbahante (Dulbahante), Majeerteen (Majerteen), Las Khorey (Laasqoray) and Ceerigaabo (Erigavo). Also watch out for Dhahar which is just a redirect to Sanaag and not a link to the town. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

New map

Hi! I noticed your new map. It's very useful for a new article I started, 2007 Ogaden conflict (join me in editing it :). One little thing: you haven't put a soldier of the Islamist insurgency in Mogadishu. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 13:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Consider using this map as a source --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Maakhir

I was just looking at the Regions and Districts section. Do you know which districts of Somalia/Somaliland/Puntland the new Heylaan and Western Bari are made from? It appears from the map that at least part of Sool is included. If so can you add it to that section. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

OK thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 15:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present)

You made a little mistake at the page Islamist insurgency in Somalia (2007–present). You put the name of the insurgency as the Muqawaama. That, in Arabic, is a wide term meaning "resistance", so it would be no help for thae name of the movement as there are many Moqawamas. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 11:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Maakhir

Which bit did you mean. The references are too small to read on larger monitors, templates usually go at the bottom and not everybody knows what Eng. or Prof. stands for. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 07:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

New article of interest to you

Have you seen Alliance for the Liberation of Somalia yet? —Nightstallion 19:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

This should be interesting, though bloody, months ahead for Somalia. --Ingoman 20:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid that may indeed be the case -- though if the outcome is a central government of *any* sort, it'd be an improvement, I reckon... —Nightstallion 23:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, I think things would be ok if the country just went ahead and totally fragmented. A central government of Somalia, to hold things together, would have to be basically totalitarian. --Ingoman 04:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Possibly, but what's the alternative? —Nightstallion 16:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

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News

Hi! Say, what's going on in Somalia right now? Apart from the foundation of the United Somali Parliamentarians to support the PM -- is anything going forward? What's with the border changes of Maakhir, Puntland and Somaliland? Thanks! —Nightstallion 02:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

New PM

Could you write a short article on Salim Aliyow Ibrow, the new PM? Thanks! —Nightstallion 16:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

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Oil exploration in Puntland

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Barnstar

		The Somalian Barnstar of National Merit
		I, Ahmed, hereby award you the 'Somalian Barnstar of National Merit' for your extensive contributions to Somali-related articles, especially on the Somali Civil War articles. -- yariiska (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Why did you delete my image?

Hi, sorry about this. Admin Ahonc is known in ukWP for "Ahonc wars". He was ultimately desysoped. After that some users noticed that Ahonc is executing his revenge (e.g., uk:Вікіпедія:Запити до адміністраторів/Ahonc wars 99… 999… 999999999999999999999 ???}. As you may see in commons:Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Ahonc, Ahonc did not mention the fact of his desysoping. Because of his practice of removing images on technicalitites without adequate prior notice, some users at ukWP are considering moving all their files from Commons back to ukWP. Perhaps Ahonc is trying to make his name known worldwide. Sorry once again,--Sk741 (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Mr Dahl

So you mean if the election goes well with the dulbahante you would see Las Canood as a part of Somaliland? Somaliland dont use the term of tribe it uses the term nation, this is coming from the region of northeast Somalia or (pirateland) because the want to turn the people who inhabite eastern parts of Somaliland against Somaliland with the use of tribe. Somalia collapsed because of tribal war and as long the are instigating hatred the will be no peace in Somalia. Riyaale is a Gedibursi and are a minority in Somaliland, that show how democracy has prevailed. He will end his term (including the year he got) this time if anything serious doesnt happens. That would have been impossible in all this other fake states and the rest of Somalia. Somaliland was and is a genuine state which was recognized by 53 foreign states 1960 the 26th of June before it join the failed union with Somalia a week later, so Somaliland has been a independent state and will be again. Somaliland is no secessionist state because it simply took back their soveregnty back which was never ratified. All the autonomous states in Somalia (specially thos in the northern areas) were created to undermine Somaliland. I agree with you Mr Dahl Xabsade is a powerful man in Las Canood but he work for Somaliland and is a part of the government of Somaliland. Las Qoray, Badhan, Taleex, Xudun and whole of Cerigaabo is controlled by Somaliland and the hole country will take part in the elections hopefully, would you then have look on your map and some information on the country again? But how do you define controll in your maps Mr Dahl? I am very impressed by your knowledge Mr Dahl. By the way I live in Sweden and your last name sound very Scandinavian? Thanks for writing.

Liban

Somaliland will prevail

Mr Dahl

So you mean if the election goes well with the dulbahante you would see Las Canood as a part of Somaliland? Somaliland dont use the term of tribe it uses the term nation, this is coming from the region of northeast Somalia or (pirateland) because the want to turn the people who inhabite eastern parts of Somaliland against Somaliland with the use of tribe. Somalia collapsed because of tribal war and as long the are instigating hatred the will be no peace in Somalia. Riyaale is a Gedibursi and are a minority in Somaliland, that show how democracy has prevailed. He will end his term (including the year he got) this time if anything serious doesnt happens. That would have been impossible in all this other fake states and the rest of Somalia. Somaliland was and is a genuine state which was recognized by 53 foreign states 1960 the 26th of June before it join the failed union with Somalia a week later, so Somaliland has been a independent state and will be again. Somaliland is no secessionist state because it simply took back their soveregnty back which was never ratified. All the autonomous states in Somalia (specially thos in the northern areas) were created to undermine Somaliland. I agree with you Mr Dahl Xabsade is a powerful man in Las Canood but he work for Somaliland and is a part of the government of Somaliland. Las Qoray, Badhan, Taleex, Xudun and whole of Cerigaabo is controlled by Somaliland and the hole country will take part in the elections hopefully, would you then have look on your map and some information on the country again? But how do you define controll in your maps Mr Dahl? I am very impressed by your knowledge Mr Dahl. By the way I live in Sweden and your last name sound very Scandinavian? Thanks for writing.

Liban —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imbaratore (talk • contribs) 13:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My ancestors came to North America from Scandinavia in the 19th century. In terms of Somaliland things can and have changed in the past, most of the disagreements seem to stem from a refusal on the part of Somaliland devotees to accept the setbacks that followed in 1991. For instance I assume you take the fact that Warsangeli power brokers took part in the Borama peace conference that led to the declaration of the Republic of Somaliland as evidence that they are part of Somaliland, yet you ignore both the Hadaaftimo Declaration and the 2003 Puntland expedition and the failed invasion of Dhahar, all of which contributed to eastern Sanaag and (until last year) Sool being outside of Somaliland's control. It will be interesting how the next couple years pan out, and Riyaale has had several key victories in Sool and Sanaag, some political others military, but at this moment in time only Las Anod's status has changed significantly, though that change could lead to Dulbahante participation in next year's elections and integration into Somaliland, time will tell. --Ingoman (talk) 16:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WTF? You seem to know more about Somalis then most Somalis including me. Furious Stormrage (talk) 09:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Somali civil war map

I see that you are the one to talk to about updating the map that represents the current situation in Somalia. I think the map should be updated. It shows that Beledweyne, capital of the Hiran region is in TFG hands but it has fallen to the insurgents last week along with the whole Hiran region. Will you update it?(Top Gun) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.216.83.39 (talk) 19:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of things that need to be updated actually, I've been trying to get the time to do it. --Ingoman (talk) 19:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

As it seems that Baidoa is encyrcled, from your map, I've created the article Siege of Baidoa (de facto a siege). It should contain all the engagements happening around Baidoa also. What do you think, is the war end in sight or the only Ethiopian option is a second invasion? Cheers, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It's true that Baidoa looks to be in a very bad position, but that won't be the end of the war. Ethiopia is running out of resources, it's a rather poor country and the occupation has been an enormous drain on their resources, and there is unrest and trouble back home, both in Ogaden as well as the border with Sudan and Eritrea, as well as economic troubles with a famine in Ogaden, spiraling inflation and political unrest. Somalia will be for Ethiopia what Afghanistan was for the Soviet Union. --Ingoman (talk) 18:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Baidoa isn't in a siege. The Islamists learnt from the winter war in 2006. Unless the place they are in is solidly controlled they never stay in one place. Even in their strongholds of Mogadishu. The TFG and the Ethiopians can travel between Baidoa and Mogadishu. Their only problem are ambushes and IEDs.

In my humble opinions speaking to my uncle who seems to know what is happening has it's happening in Mogadishu (Somali Telecoms. Only thing Somalia is a leader in Africa) i thought the war would have ended between Autumn this year spring next year. How ever the recent deployment of TFG troops seems to have changed. They are apparently of better quality then the existing ones who can only kill civilians and run away when they are in a real fight. Furious Stormrage (talk) 09:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The Ethiopian military can keep up the war almost indefinitely though they will be eventually forced to withdraw unless Eritrea and Sudan cease to be a problem. Somalia is the smallest threat to Ethiopia at the moment. I agree though I was expecting Baidoa to fall within the week but solid reinforcements have been funneled into Baidoa for the last 2 weeks and it isn't as vulnerable anymore, a fact I think I'll put on the map. There is still an islamist military buildup all around them though, and the situation seems to be in flux. --Ingoman (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Somalia timeline

Please, don't forget to update both the timeline and the casualty box, the article is very sensitive (needs to be exact) and it's not easy to go after other editors errors. Thanks, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 17:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Somalia maps

Hi,

you have done some really nice maps on Somalia. There is a collaboration going on in the finnish Wikipedia to make the article about the history of Somalia to a featured article, and we are going to translate the maps you've made. Do you have raw copies of the maps backed up somewhere, in SVG or other vector format? This would make translating alot easier.

The images currently used in the article include Image:Horn70ad.png, Image:Horn1915ad.png, Image:Horn1960ad.png and Image:Somalia January 1 2008.png. The article can be found here. Thanks for any help in advance, Piisamson (talk) 10:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi there,

I work off of a rather large .PSB document for the maps, which then gets reduced down to a 2000 pixel wide PNG file, but the majority of the map is not vector based.--Ingoman (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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Hi there,

Just writing to you about the map from Neo Cold War. It looks great, but I fear some of the hegemony states may be properly listed. I would certainly suggest listing more of Africa as Neutral or Dual, delisting Afghanistan as Western due to the current divergnece of opinion over there, and possibly relisting India as either dual or Neutral. Just a suggestion though. Anyhow, thanks for the map, it's most appreciated.

Best Regards,

Whiskey in the Jar (talk) 10:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

New/Neo Cold War

Aloha,

Due to the (questionable) decisions to delete these articles, I have recreated them (poorly) on my userpage. Would you be interested in replacing your maps, which I found quite useful? As I'm am a veritable n00b when it comes to coding, perhaps you could lend a hand in reformatting the article too? Either way, most of the article remains on my userpage for your reference.

Best Regards,

Whiskey in the Jar (talk) 07:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Somali people group Image

Hi there,

i'm not sure you've been aware of the temporary editing storm on the 'Somali people' page, regarding the group image. We've settled on a collage of my design[7]. But there appears to be a copyright issue with the Abdi Bile image which i've put up on Commons from a cropped image(apparently from a poster) i received, the copyrights of the original belong to getty images. Do you have any advice on this issue?

Cheers

Somaliwarrior (talk) 04:18, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

If you have a look at most other ethnic group pages, as a rule the images are of notable persons. That is exactely what i've tried to achieve with the collage. I've been keeping well meaning but misinformed editors at bay for months. Sure we can and should add images of normal Somalis on the page, but for the infobox it has to be notable figures. How likely do you think the collage with the Bile pic would be put up for deletion? Somaliwarrior (talk) 04:40, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Image licensing

Hey there...

I am going through a number of images that have some minor licensing issues. I came across Image:Tamgalar.jpg which you uploaded. The licensing on this image is not complete as it was uploaded many years ago. I wonder if you could follow the link to the image page and correct the licensing with a GFDL license (or other free license). If you have any questions or issues, please drop me a note on my talk page. Thanks. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 18:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit war and false information war going in Somaliland article. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 20:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

CW2 Power blocs

I find your map interesting, but I'm sorry for you'll probably not be able to push it to any article... You could find interesting Bolivarian Alternative for the Americas as it seemes to me. Good luck! Emilfaro (talk) 12:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Somalia Map

On the 2009 timeline article it sais this: "The town of Guriel was occupied by Sufi transitional government militiamen early this morning after Al Shabeeb fighters left the town thinking Ethiopian troops were coming. At day break, Al Shabeeb fighters returned to the town and retook the community from government forces leaving 41 fighters dead in total, 25 suspected TFG fighters and 16 Al Shabeeb fighters. No civilians were hurt or killed in the battle."[21] Which basically means that al-Shabaab re-took the twon from the Sufi militants, Ahlu Sunnah wal-Jamma, so it should be included again in the Insurgent controlled territory. Kermanshahi (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

BTW, Islamist Resistance has re-captured the town of Bardhere [8] Kermanshahi (talk) 14:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Updated. --Ingoman (talk) 21:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't agree with your painting blue the territory which was a few days ago designated as under the controll of the overall insurgency, before the new president was declared, and noting it as Transitional government teritory now. While in reality it is still under the control of the Moderate islamist wing of the insurgency (which has formed a Transitional government) while the other collor is the Radical islamist wing of the insurgency (which has been left out of the new Transitional government). This way it would seem to the reader as that territory is under the control of the former TFG faction that was an ally of the Ethiopians. So I am proposing that you at least change the note that the blue represents, not the Transitional government, but something like, Moderate Islamist transitional government. It would be much better, again this way it looks like it's under the control of the former TFG. After all the leader of the ICU (moderate Islamist wing of the insurgency), Sharif Ahmed, is now the president. Also, I think you should add one more collor because some territory on the border with Ethiopia is still under TFG-allied Suffi militia control. Hope you make these changes, cheers!BobaFett85 (talk) 21:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Listen, I don't have any objections to colloring that whole territory as it is, but the fact is the Moderate Islamists are the ones holding the real military power out there in that teritory, thus the real political control in the transitional government formed is with them, also some of those other elements that previously agreed to the accord in Djibout were also Islamists (just not fighting in the insurgency), so I am only proposing that you put Moderate Islamist transitional government. Again, their president is after all the leader of the ICU.BobaFett85 (talk) 22:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you have to edit the map. Al-Shabab have regained control of Gedo region. The clan milita who are masquerading themselves has the moderate Sufi group (because calling yourself a clan milita isn't going to appeal Somali people to your side nowdays) only control two towns Dhusamareb and Guriel. I doubt they are even strong enough to take on Al-Shabab in the Gedo region. Look at what happened to Barre Hiiraale and his forces. Gedo is right near Kismayo the centre of Al-Shabab and Hassan Turki where they can field more forces. They sent the clan milita which came to "liberate" kismayo across the border. Galgadud isn't important in terms objectives only in the size of ones territorial control. Furious Stormrage (talk) 11:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is Puntland shown as unaligned? —WikiMarshall (talk) 01:37, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Dushamarab and Guriel are in Galgudug, not Gedo... Kermanshahi (talk) 15:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Somalia War (2006-2009) Ethiopian Intevention

The Ethiopian Intervention might have ended and Sharif Ahmed might be President, but al-Shabaab and other hard-liners have said to continue their war againt the TFG but with Sharif Ahmed as enemy now. The article sais it's ended on 31 January, but the war continues. So I think we should make a new article for a new fase in the war, dunno how you wanna call it but as you seem to be the main contributer here I think it's up to you to make a new article. Kermanshahi (talk) 15:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't know if you've read these yet: [9] [10] But I guess it does bring some clarity. Some notable quotes in the articles "Sheikh Sharif declared jihad in 2006 and now he chose America over Islam", "Sheikh Sharif's election victory was organized by the enemies of Islam".

Oh and I think we better re-add Sharif Ahmed and other ARS leaders are resistance commanders in the 2006-2009 fase, as they were at that side, only since the phase ended they switched sides. Kermanshahi (talk) 15:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Islamic Party Insurgents Declare War On New Govt[11] Don't you think it's time for a new article for the new of the war? Kermanshahi (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I created a new article on the next phase of the civil war in Somalia, I couldn't think of a better name then 2009 Somali Islamist inter-factional war since it is now a war between the moderates and the radicals. I wanted to tell you not to update this map here [Image:Somalia map states regions districts.png] anymore so it would remain as it is in the old article 2006-2009 Somali war so readers can see the situation at the end of that war. If you want to update changes in territory controled could you please create a new map to reflect the situation in the new phase of the conflict, separate from this old map. TxBobaFett85 (talk) 23:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Bakool=

Have you read this one yet? [12] Kermanshahi (talk) 19:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I have a few changes I have to implement. Maakhir and Northland I have confirmed have rejoined Puntland.

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Updating Somali map

Wen will new updating come for the map of the war in Somalia? It's been 3 months sice the last one was released, a lot has changed since. Kermanshahi (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

your NPOV request

stumbled across it. EASY case...it's unref'd vandalism. revert and give warnings. I'll keep an eye on it. Seb az86556 (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

y'know.. when an IP gives you SHOUTING BOLD PRINT and all that kinda crap, you just wait a day or two until they disappear, and get back to fixing it. :) Seb az86556 (talk) 14:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd file a report now. S/He's been warned Seb az86556 (talk) 17:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

University Canada West

I see you're in the process of writing up a report, as am I. I'll add to yours then. --Ronz (talk) 19:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please consider this a warning to stop further edit-warring. I think we can get the situation under control once the report is addressed. --Ronz (talk) 20:10, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Again, please avoid edit-warring. If you will look at the edit-history, you'll see that I had a tagged version of the article prepared before your latest round of reverts. You'll also note that I've commented on the talk page about this latest round of editing. --Ronz (talk) 16:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Alright I'll stay out of it. Ingoman (talk) 17:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Whow!

Dont't do that. I've extended the report. Just wait patiently. Seb az86556 (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I apologize, he's gotten under my skin I suppose. Ingoman (talk) 22:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Attacks in the article Somali clan nicknames

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Please do not create attack pages as you did at Somali clan nicknames. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images, especially those in violation of our Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy, will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. Scoobycentric (talk) 11:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The article disparaged entire groups with gross generalizations and with no sources provided to substantiate the claims made herein. Neither academic articles(J-stor) nor books supported this attack page, do not deny this fact. Hutu is not a nickname of any clan, silly forum discussions don't equal mass usage of that name regarding a particular clan, which is why your original research article was deleted promptly. Please do not make such articles in the future again, as its against wiki-policy and will meet a similar fate!--Scoobycentric (talk) 21:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Ingoman I have noted your edits at Scoobycentric where you assume that they are an administrator. Scoobycentric should have informed you that he was not an administrator - which is in fact the case.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 19:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting that you over looked the fact that he called me crazy, which is a personal attack, but instead focused on something as trivial as one wiki-member believing another wiki-member to be a administrator evendo the same wiki-member never claimed such, indeed the last sentence of my post: [the next time i will report you] should have been sufficient for anyone to dispell any misconception they have with regards to my position.--Scoobycentric (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Firstly even though I do not think that this editor was attempting to personally attack you, I must in any event, by policy, ignore the issue of the word "crazy" because of the time differences of several days between the offence. Indeed I did not see that posting at the time - and as importantly you did not complain elsewhere. Also when I looked at your response to Ingoman you used the words "next time I will report you" hence you appear to have dealt with the concern. Your words are also inaccurate when you say, (a) that Ingoman believing you are an administrator is trivial. It is not trivial because Ingoman has walked away from the articles in questions as a result of your actions - and he also indicates that in his response. (b) Your words "next time I will report you" are in fact the words used by an administrator (except in special circumstances) because an administrator would not normally take the action of blocking in the case of a personal attack upon themself. Finally I also note that you are tag-teaming with another editor in many of your edits to Somali related articles and this is causing me some concern which I am watching carefully. When it looks as it did in this case that you had confused an editor with your attention to the article he had started - by warning that editor that he was making "personal attacks" in an article created about Somali nicknames it particularly concerns me and I will be watching for further such indiscretions. I say this because whilst the article about Somali nicknames may not be appropriate; the warning for "personal attacks" is inaccurate to the point that Ingoman thought accurately was strange. He just happened to use the word "Crazy" to reflect that strangeness.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 22:26, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Please do not try to give an excuse as to why Ingoman would personal attack me, it's very clear to any neutral observer what he ment with that psycho analysis [quote:you're crazy]. Secondly i followed wiki-policy step by step incase of an attack page which the 'somali clan nicknames' clearly was not to mention it was entirely Original Research, hence why User:WereSpielChequers deleted it.[13]. Thirdly there is nothing inaccurate about the words [next time i will report you] from a non-adminstrating wiki-member. It means i'm giving him a second chance as oppossed to immediately reporting him to an actual administrator for that personal attack. You have decided to put your own personal twist on it, which is clearly incorrect! Fourthly i'm very pleased with your accusation of me intentionally 'tagteaming' with another user. It might explain why your position towards me is so 'non-neutral' and why you would make excuses for a personal attack projected at me and insinuate that i was impersonating an administrator (or atleast intentionally gave the impression that i was one) on purpose. Let me make it very clear to you, your status as an adminstrator in no way intimidates me. I will continue being bold in my edits and if there is a discussion on a subject related to my area of interest, i will continue contributing in the same manner in those debates as i have before and if that means continuesly supporting members that i feel share the same point of view as mine who elaborate their stand with a variety of sources and citations then so be it!. This discussion however is very eye opening and i thank you for your honesty.--Scoobycentric (talk) 23:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• @Scoobycentric - your comments are noted. I will provide my final response here as follows. As detailed briefly above - whether the article that was deleted by WereSpielChequers or not was correctly deleted is not the issue. I too would have deleted the article and I am supportive of WSC in that action also. However your warning to Ingoman is incorrect - he did not "personally attack" anyone through the edits of the Somali page and that is the problem I have with your edits. Secondly I do not mean to attempt to intimidate you in any way so I am glad that you are going to continue your edits - however you have been warned not again to post such warnings as the above on a users page - and your coming back here helps me to know that you have read that warning. Now that you understand that you are not an administrator, nor should forget to inform others that ask that you are not also is also a good outcome. Thirdly I have no problem with bold edits or following another editor around - indeed I have noticed some canvassing in that area of which you were involved - I can only say good, keep up the bold editing, but be aware that if you again breach a policy along these lines - and through that breach disrupt wikipedia I will block you so as to prevent such disruption in the future. Finally thank you for your acceptance of my honesty. I am happy that you have understood my edits in that fashion. Best wishes.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 00:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

This will be my final reponse to you on this issue aswell. I followed wiki-policy and added the attack-page template on the article in question which was deleted and also added another template on the userpage of it's creator. The template contains a warning text which was not written by me and therefore might look out of place since the article created by Ingoman was an attack page as oppossed to a personal attack. The warning you have extended towards me is therefore amusing as i was following 'wiki-policy' step by step but somehow according to you broke wiki-policy in the process. If your intention is to block me on violations that are not of my making(such as the incorporated text not written by me of the |attack page template| inserted in the 'what do in case of a Attack page article') then i will definitely seek support from a different administrator and redirect him/her to this very interesting discussion here. Good day!--Scoobycentric (talk) 00:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

• Finally some semblance of understanding by you when you write at Ingoman's talk page that your template therefore might look out of place since the article created by Ingoman was an attack page as oppossed to a personal attack. From that perspective - you might now be able to see why he thought your template was "crazy" and therefore not a further personal attack at you and why your response was inappropriate. On my side I too see your point in relation to not writing the content of the template - but as you become a more experienced editor you will learn to not use templates (or alternatively to adjust them after they have been posted by yourself) so there is less chance of another editor new to your acquaintance of misunderstanding your message - and even less chance again of your seeing that any response they make as being a Personal Attack on yourself. Well done - oh and feel free to use whichever administrator you like but if you need my help then I will be happy to assist.--VirtualSteve ^{need admin support?} 00:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Ingoman, I'm sorry we had to delete your article, but we are very cautious about negative information about people or groups of people. I appreciate that getting wp:reliable sources sources may be difficult for Somalia in its current circumstances - but some of those nicknames were very negative. ϢereSpielChequers 18:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I made the article more in the spirit of List of ethnic slurs, though maybe I should have just made a new section of that article. Ingoman (talk) 19:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I know this is completely out of the blue and an old topic and I'm not entirely sure how I ended up on this page, but how the hell is the phrase "You're crazy" psychoanalyzing someone, or even a personal attack? Its just like saying "That's ridiculous" 97.103.33.120 (talk) 08:49, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

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Now I know you are mostly busy with Somali civil war related subjects, but I've seen you made several flags, I was wondering if you could make a wikipedia flag for the flag shown in this picture: It's the flag of the PUK.Kermanshahi (talk) 19:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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That's hilarious, it's listed on the Perry-Castaneda page and you guys want to delete it. Ingoman (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Your timing is most interesting and duly noted. The Perry-Castañeda website links to the map here on Wikipedia in its "Maps on Other Web Sites" section (c.f. [16]); it's unfortunately not listed as part of its collection. I also fail to see how that external link in any way brings the "Islamic Emirate of Somalia", among other things, any closer to being a reality than it is. Whatever the case, that map is a deletion waiting to happen; if not now, then later. It's only a matter of time unless the fundamental errors in it are directly addressed. Regards, Middayexpress (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Everything is a deletion waiting to happen on Wikipedia these days. Ingoman (talk) 22:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Found you here!

Did you get my request at Commons?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 00:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

My mistake, forgot to ask. I'll ask later.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

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Punt

Is Puntland the only region of Somalia going through oil exploration ? Pass a Method talk 12:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Would love a copy of your SSC flag file

Hey Ingoman,

I love your work on the Somali history sections. I'm doing a research project on Somalia and I would love it if you could send a copy of the JPG or SVG file that you use for the SSC flag (currently you have it on Budoodle). I can't find the file of the flag anywhere on the internet except here.

My email is: grahamfmoore@yahoo.com

Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.

Regards,

Graham "Morgog1 (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2011 (UTC)"

Here are some examples at a SSC meeting in Columbus Ohio http://www.bartamaha.com/?p=29042 Ingoman (talk) 22:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, but I need an Jpeg file

Hey Ingoman,

Thanks a lot for the link. However, my problem is not that I do know what the flag looks like but that I do not have an svg or jpeg version of the flag image. You seem to have an image like this that you use for your maps. I would REALLY APPRECIATE it if you could send it to my email: grahamfmoore@yahoo.com

I would be happy to attribute it to you in my research project.

Thanks a lot.

-Morgog1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morgog1 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

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walashma

i dont think ahmed gurey was related to garad abun..most sources say ahmed was a general of his army so where are you getting this information? Baboon43 (talk) 18:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The descendants of Ahmed Gurey are still alive, they're a subclan of Karanle

can you give me rs? Baboon43 (talk) 19:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

The Futuh al-Habasha is actually pretty clear on this, Awra'i Abun and Abbas Abun are clearly stated to be his nephews. You should read the primary sources. Ingoman (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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