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This is a pretty patchy article

AMORITE PERIOD - There is not much detail about the Amorite dynasty, apart from Hammurabi

KASSITE PERIOD - Same as above really, pretty basic and patchy. Someone removed the detailed rev because of "Assyrian bias" lol...i never saw any tbh.

OTHER DYNASTIES - The current version just ignores them

NEO BABYLONIAN EMPIRE - Most of this is about PERSIA???

The whole article is patchy and doesnt contain much detail at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EddieDrood (talk • contribs) 14:26, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Babylonia: Persian?!, so what happened to Iraq?

So why didn't the writer say that Babylonia was completely PERSIAN?!, this includes much fatal errors and remember that you can not trust all websites of the sources you've used (writer), we can not include something from our own, the Iraqi Wikipedians must help us in this or the Iraqi history will go out like this!.

Quite probably because Persians are an Iranic Indo-European people, and Babylonians were Semites and remnants of the Sumerians that spoke a non-IE language? Just a thought. HammerFilmFan (talk) 19:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because Babylonia wasn't completely Persian. It continued to use Cuneiform, Aramaic, and develop Babylonian sciences. Persians didn't come en masse to Mesopotamia until 800 A.D. 64.222.113.252 (talk) 20:09, 10 March 2020 (UTC)John Dee[reply]

babylonian and aztec

I seen a program on the history chanel saying that the aztecs are actualy babylonian in decent so that would mean that they are not native to america that they migrated here just like the early europeans they had to have done a blood test or something to figure this out can anyone confirm this?68.116.91.31 (talk) 02:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Genesis 10:10

The Book of Genesis, 10:10 states "The first centers of his kingdom were Babylon, Uruk, Akkad and Kalneh, in Shinar. Does this refer to "Babylonia" or "Babylon" (I believe they are the same thing).^[1] Twillisjr (talk) 03:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, in this instance the reference is to the city of Babylon, not the region/state of Babylonia. However, Babylon was not located in Sumer (Shinar.)

References

^ http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2010&version=NIV

Gnosticism

Is Gnosticism the religion of Babylonians? Early Iraq is supposedly connected to this religion and a few scholarly articles do mention it as being practiced in Babylonia. Does anyone else know if this is the case and where to add it?

Twillisjr (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite. If we read Gnosticism we see it properly refers to a religion that began to spread around the year 100 AD, in the eastern Roman Empire. I think there may be groups in Iraq today that were influenced by them, but it is an anachronism for Babylonia, which is going back to 500-1800 BC. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 14:47, 2 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

The one given was only accurate for some parts of American English. Rather than laundry list the variants, leave it for the Wiktionary entry and remember Wikipedia is WP:NOTADICTIONARY. We should only include pronunciations where well-meaning readers could be genuinely confused. Is there anyone who's going to read this as baby-lone-ee-AH? If so, reïnclude the IPA, but include sourcing and the "British" pronunciation with the short I which is also shared by many Americans. — $Llywelyn II$ 02:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for future article expansion

WP:Further reading sections are almost always a bad idea since Wikipedia doesn't have any experts curating them and they gradually and unhelpfully bloat. Kindly restore these to the article as they are used to verify points being made:

Ascalone, Enrico (2007). Mesopotamia: Assyrians, Sumerians, Babylonians. University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-25266-0.
Bryant, Tamera (2005). The Life and Times of Hammurabi. Mitchell Lane. ISBN 978-1-58415-338-2.
Eves, Howard (1990). An Introduction to the History of Mathematics (6th ed.). Brooks Cole. ISBN 978-0-03-029558-4.
Leonard William (2003). Babylonian Religion and Mythology. Fredonia Books. ISBN 978-1-4102-0459-2.
Leick, Gwendolyn (2003). The Babylonians: An Introduction. Routledge.
Leick, Gwendolyn (2003). Mesopotamia. Penguin. ISBN 978-0-14-026574-3.
Lloyd, Seton (1978). The Archaeology of Mesopotamia: From the Old Stone Age to the Persian Conquest. Thames & Hudson. ISBN 978-0-500-78007-7.
Mieroop, Marc Van de (2004). King Hammurabi Of Babylon: A Biography. Wiley-Blackwell. ISBN 978-1-4051-2659-5.
Nemet-Nejat, Karen Rhea (2002). Daily Life in Ancient Mesopotamia. Hendrickson. ISBN 978-1-56563-712-2.
Oates, Joan (1986). Babylon. Thames & Hudson. ISBN 978-0-500-27384-5.
Oppenheim, A. Leo (1977). Ancient Mesopotamia : Portrait of a Dead Civilization. University Of Chicago Press. ISBN 978-0-226-63187-5.
Pallis, Svend Aage (1956). The antiquity of Iraq: A handbook of Assyriology. Ejnar Munksgaard.
Roux, Georges (1993). Ancient Iraq (3rd ed.). Penguin. ISBN 978-0-14-012523-8.
Saggs, Henry W.F. (1995). Babylonians. University of Oklahoma. ISBN 978-0-8061-2765-1.
Saggs, Henry W.F. (1988). The Greatness That Was Babylon: A Survey of the Ancient Civilization of the Tigris-Euphrates Valley. Sidgwick & Jackson. ISBN 978-0-283-99623-8.
Schomp, Virginia (2005). Ancient Mesopotamia: The Sumerians, Babylonians, And Assyrians. Franklin Watts. ISBN 978-0-531-16741-0.
Spence, Lewis (1995). Myths and Legends of Babylonia and Assyria. Kessinger Publishing. ISBN 978-1-56459-500-3.
Le Journal des Médecines Cunéiformes (published twice-yearly from 2003 onwards)

If the further reading section is being recreated, include a gloss about each work explaining how exactly these works are more helpful than a Google search to someone learning about the topic. — $Llywelyn II$ 02:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's also more info at the EB articles (and EB material already in the article that needs to be cited to them), but do keep in mind that some points may be dated. — $Llywelyn II$ 03:14, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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How I can use this source^[1] on this article?

See Wikipedia:Citing sources and the associated templates. Dimadick (talk) 20:06, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dimadick, I mean, which section of this article I can use this source's information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shahanshah5 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]