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October 5, 2014	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 30, 2014.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that "Beck's Bolero" begins with a reworking of Ravel's two-chord progression, transposed to the key of A?

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Disruptive edit warring over two words "melody and"

The repetitive back and forth since the end of March 2016 is an edit war - a slow one - but an edit war none the less.

How about instead of using the encyclopedia like the rope in a tug of war, the involved editors could discuss their dispute here with an aim to reach a satisfactory compromise? fredgandt 13:24, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment –
Shadwick's full quote (emphasis added):

The rendition [of Led Zeppelin's "How Many More Times"] quite likely had been present in The Yardbirds' live performances while Page was in the band: in one section of their late-period live version of Howlin' Wolf's 'Smokestack Lightning", for example, they used the same bolero rhythm of 'Beck's Bolero' now co-opted into 'Times" (3:11). [Shadwick 2005, p. 53.]

Power adds:

If Beck made it to the LP's [Led Zeppelin I] closing tune, 'How Many Mire Times', at precisely three minutes, nine seconds in he would have also heard Jimmy re-creating the melody line of 'Beck's Bolero'. One suspects Jeff was long gone by then ... [Power 2011, eBook.]

Too bad more effort isn't put into actually improving Led Zeppelin articles – out of all of the most popular bands of the era, theirs certainly need it. —Ojorojo (talk) 20:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to add the Power ref for "melody". Looks like he's moved on.[1] —Ojorojo (talk) 15:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Appears he's back removing the reliably sourced "melody line" text along with the inline citation.[2][3]. This is the same as the blocked user 50.200.142.50. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citations in efns

Tkbrett: Hello and thanks for catching the missing source template. It makes no difference to me, but it was pointed out in a review (can't remember which) that using {{sfn}} within {{efn}} triggers some error flags and that <ref>{{harvnb}}</ref> should be used instead. Is there any more info on this? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:29, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ojorojo, perhaps that review was referring to HarvErrors. I only had one pop up for Rosso 1998 because it was listed as a source but was not cited in the article. The rest of the article uses shortened footnotes, so it's usually good to stick with the established style, but unless you pull up the hood a reader wouldn't be able to tell the difference between <ref>{{harvnb}}.</ref> and <ref>{{sfn}}</ref>. Thanks for your work on this article, by the way! I was pleasantly surprised to stumble on it and find it was a GA. Tkbrett (✉) 14:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, works for me. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Nicky Hopkins songs" category

I noticed this article has a "Jimmy Page songs" category, and since Nicky Hopkins also plays on it, I suppose there's no reason why there can't be a "Nicky Hopkins songs" category too. I think he played on around 250 albums and about the same number of singles! Any thoughts anyone? Johnalexwood (talk) 09:48, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Usually only the named artist is used for "Category:[Artist] songs", rather than all the participating musicians. However, his entry should appear as "Category:Songs written by Jimmy Page", so I fixed it. See WP:SONGS#Categories for more details. —Ojorojo (talk) 13:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of a category, you can make a list page, as is done with List of recordings of songs Hal Blaine played on. This is perhaps cleaner than simply having everything listed on his bio page. Anyway, this isn't really the place for this sort of discussion; try Talk:Nicky Hopkins. Tkbrett (✉) 13:24, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Led Zeppelin

If John Entwistle did not show up for the recording as stated in the article, how could he be credited with coming up with the phrase “would go down like a lead zeppelin “……?? 198.71.126.16 (talk) 03:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Welch, the source used in the article, places the conversation as occurring after the recording session. He writes, "In discussing his putative supergroup, Keith Moon had joked that it would go down 'like a balloon'. John Entwistle agreed, but said it would be 'more like a Lead Zeppelin'." [eBook] The fact that Entwistle was not at the session does not preclude him from later discussing it with Moon. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:00, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]