Talk:Pentecost

Shavuot always on Sunday

Just a note that the reason I removed the line in the Old Testament section saying that Shavuot always lands on a Sunday is because that is flat out wrong. I don't know what it says in the source cited, but if that is what the source states, the source is wrong. There seems to be a misunderstanding of the use of the word "Sabbath" in the context of the counting of the weeks. The Sabbath referenced in the Torah is the day of rest that is the first day of the Passover festival, which is a day of total rest (i.e. Sabbath). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dkelber (talk • contribs) 23:12, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Shavuot is the fiftieth day in the sense that it is day 50 where the day in The second day of Passover is day one. This day is always 16 Nisan, whatever day of the week that is. You will need the Jewish calendar to figure that out. Ricgal (talk) 04:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I wasn't too clear. 16 Nisan is day one and Pentecost is day 50. Day 50 seems to consistently be 6 Sivan. It has quite often been on a Sunday in the past several years, but not always. Ricgal (talk) 04:41, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"In Eastern Christianity, Pentecost can also refer to the entire 50 days of Passover"

I am not an expert on this but I just wanted to say that "In Eastern Christianity, Pentecost can also refer to the entire 50 days of Passover" is confusing. Might it mean, instead, "the entire 50 days after Easter and until-and-including Pentecost"? In Christian terms that period might not necessarily be referred to as Passover unless I'm mistaken. Proxyma (talk) 00:28, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Indeed - changed. Johnbod (talk) 02:34, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

49 days, not 50 days

Pentecost is on a Sunday, the same as Easter. Seven times seven is forty-nine, not fifty, so the first sentence of the article is wrong! Am I not understanding something? If so, then the article needs to address this basic apparent math error. I get it that "pent" means five, but 50 days would be Whit Monday, not Pentecost Sunday. Bhami (talk) 23:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Anciently you would count the day you are counting from as the first day, rather than as day zero (this is how Easter Sunday is the "third day" from Easter Friday). It could certainly do with being clearly explained in the article. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Looking at the article I see this actually is explained in the footnote, which might not be the most obvious place to find it. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Someone fixed the lead paragraph but forgot to also fix the infobox. No, it's not "50 days after Easter" in the modern English language, which is what the rest of the article is written in, even though the historical misunderstanding should be (and already is) mentioned. The etymology is from it having been previously reckoned as the 50th day but the actual day is 49 days after Easter Sunday. — LlywelynII 04:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Mariology

The previous version of the WP article had a unique concern on the Marian role on the day of Pentecost, just attributed to the traditional iconography of her presence in the place and time here the Holy Spirit God come upon the Twelve.

Her name isn't explicitly mentioned in Acts 2. Relevant sources are the encyclical Lumen gentium n. 59, the Mystici Corporis Christi and secondly their citation made in the Vatican General Audience of Pope John Paul II on 28 May 1997. All of them affirms the centrality of the intercessory prayer addressed by the Blessed Virgin Mary to God as the first cause of the concession of the divine gift, the descent of the Holy Spirit God upon the Twelve in the Solemnity of Pentecost.

The WP article now integrates a highly relevant attribution to the Mother of God in the birth not uniquely of His Son, but also of His Apostolic Church, which is an extension of God Himself as being the Mystical Body of Jesus.

Quotations may be shortened, e.g. to possible copyright reasons. I don't hope so.Philosopher81sp (talk) 12:35, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Importance of Feast

This article currently says "In the Eastern Orthodox Church, Pentecost is one of the Orthodox Great Feasts and is considered to be the highest ranking Great Feast of the Lord, second in rank only to Pascha (Easter)." The next citation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost#cite_note-41 appears to be broken, or it's at least not showing me a page that has that information on it. One place I found that had this claim was from the website of the Believers Eastern Church https://www.bec.org/the-feast-of-pentecost/, which is _not Orthodox_. Perhaps that claim about the importance of the feast should be removed unless a more reliable source is found? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.91.236.152 (talk) 19:43, 30 April 2023 (UTC)